Nope, I buy my HTP from AkzoNobel's plant in Bohus, Sweden via my
chemical company, and if I need lower concentrations I buy it
from aNeVa in Poland
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> So I am glad that I have a small chemical company up and running.
Selling HTP? like Bengtsson in the past at 27 SEK/kg?
Is Norrkemi your company concentrating aNeVa peroxide to HTP?
Website?
Over here you can order up to 50 % in 60 L PE containers.
jd
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Just three years ago, I bought HTP as an amateur from AkzoNobel but
now they only sell to registered businesses since the explosives
precursors Act
(http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32013R0098&from=EN
[1]) which prohibits private individuals to possess hydrogen
peroxide with a concentration of more than 12%. And my non-HTP
peroxide I buy from aNeVa in Poland. So I am glad that I have a small
chemical company up and running.
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Ah, from Sweden! Please be so kind to tell us if that company sells
HP to *rocket amateurs* too, in Europe. Website?
It would surprise me because http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/ [3]
with deep pockets had to resort to distill their peroxide themselves
for driving propellant pumps (they used a the classic glass lab setup
in a ventilated shack). Only a few years ago.
jd
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There appears to be some difference in the US and Europe regarding
shipping of peroxide.
Whether it is stabilized industrial grade hydrogen peroxide (60%) or
HTP with a concentration of 85%, I always get it delivered in 30L
plastic canisters in a standard truck at a cost of 2000SEK
(≈233USD) per pallet. The only difference is that the HTP is
delivered on plastic pallets while the industrial grade is always
delivered on wooden pallets. There is also no requirement that the
truck should be empty and only carry the peroxide. All this is
according to ADR (European Agreement Concerning the International
Carriage of Dangerous Goods by Road).
I pay 12SEK / kg for industrial grade and 27 SEK / Kg for the HTP.
Malte
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On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Ben Brockert <wikkit@xxxxxxxxx
wrote:It's shipped in 30 gallon
I've bought peroxide from FMC in the last year.
purpose-built aluminum drums. It just has to be shipped in a truckwith
floors that aren't wood; in our case it came in a normalrefrigerator semi
trailer with aluminum floors. It's not specialized to peroxidetransport.
the
The shipping is nearly flat rate, as you need an empty truck and all
hazmat processes. So it's best to order as much as practical in oneorder.
The counterbalance to that is that they charge $15 per day per drumrental
after the first 30 days, so you also want to ship the drums back(which can
be done non-hazmat if they are triple rinsed to FMC procedure) assoon as
they are empty.deionized
Each 30 gal peroxide drum comes with a 55 gallon plastic drum of
water, which is an important fluid for peroxide operations.
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On Saturday, December 19, 2015, Wyatt Rehder <
I guess they
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I talked to the peroxide division of FMC a few years ago.
regularlysold it and it is now called PeroxyChem. At the time they didn't
line.operate their HTP plant so you had to pay to restart the production
XL-SpaceNot sure if that is still the case now.
I know some people who have purchased small quantities from
chemicalsomewhat recently. I don't what his production ability is.
The real kicker with HTP is the shipping. FMC had a special conex
container and a special truck to transport it. Since it isn't a
reallythat is commonly transported (In that Concentration) there aren't
costmany off the shelf solutions for shipping it. So shipping tends to
probablyabout as much as the peroxide if you are buying a large amount,
yourself ofmore than the peroxide if it's a small amount. You could do it
whatever methodcourse so long as you have a hazmat shipping endorsement for
$29,600of transportation you are using.
You could always buy your own 150 lb/day plant from XL-space for
otherit looks like. Though I think you might also have to get permits or
have doneregulatory things to operate the plant.
Also I cant really think of anyone other than the British, that
a Kero/HTP rocket of that size.