Funny. I read it and felt like there were just a lot of different definitions
and that therefore, Islamism isn't really a useful term. Islam is a religion.
One of the definitions seemed to be that Islamism is a political version of
Islam. A parallel concept is that Judaism is a religion and Zionism is a
political version of the religion.
Miriam
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 8:24 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Ben Carson Says He's Against Abortion in All
Cases, Makes Slavery Comparison
Miriam:
I got the impression from reading the material that there are many variable
types or classes of Islamism all of which spring forth from the basic group
that follows Sharia, and fundamental combination of religion and government
wherein the fundamentalism is basic as is warfare amongst the tribes and
societies.
Who would have thought that Abraham would cause so much trouble.
R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.
On 10/26/2015 5:37 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
It sort of makes my point. There are lots of definitions, much
confusion, and the word can be used in negative ways.
Miriam
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 5:54 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Ben Carson Says He's Against Abortion in
All Cases, Makes Slavery Comparison
I started with the basic word Islamist and found many references to
Islamism. The general connotation of Islamist is 'one who practices Islamism',
most likely a political orientation of the religious beliefs espoused by
Mohammad (I am not sure about the spelling)
Islamism
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the movement of political Islam. For the religion
of Islam, see Islam <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam> .
[
sm (Urdu <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urdu_language>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urdu_language> : اسلام پرستی; Arabic
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language> : إسلاموية), also known as
Political Islam, utilizes certain Muslim "doctrines, beliefs and values as the
foundation of a political structure that supporters of that ideology have
called 'the Islamic State.'"[1]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-1>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-1> Islamists can have
varying interpretations on various Quranic
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran>
suras <https://en.
wikiped
ia.org/wiki/Surah> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surah> and ayahs
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayah> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayah> .
Islamist views emphasize the implementation of Sharia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia>
(Islamic law); of pan-Islamic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Islamism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Islamism> political unity; and of the
selective removal of non-Muslim, particularly Western
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world> military, economic, political,
social, or cultural influences in the Muslim world
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world> that they believe to be
incompatibl
e with I
slam.[2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-2>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-2>
Some observers (Graham Fuller) suggest Islamism's tenets are less
strict, and can be defined as a form of identity politics
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics> or "support for [Muslim]
identity, authenticity, broader regionalism, revivalism, [and] revitalization
of the community."[3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-3>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-3> Following the Arab
Spring <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring> , Olivier Roy
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Roy_%28professor%29>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Roy_%28professor%29> described
political Islam as "increasingly interdependent" with political democracy.[4]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-foreignpolicy1-4>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-foreignpolicy1-4>
Islamists[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-5>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-5> generally oppose the use
of the term, claiming that their political beliefs and goals are simply an
expression of Islamic religious belief. Similarly, some experts (Bernard Lewis
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lewis>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lewis> ) favor the term "activist
Islam",[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-ICG-6>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-ICG-6> [7]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-autogenerated2-7>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-autogenerated2-7> or
"political Islam" (Trevor Stanley),[8]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-8>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isl amism#cite_note-8> and some (Robin Wright
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Wright_%28author%29>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Wright_%28author%29> ) have equated the
term "militant Islam" with Islamism.[9]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-9>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-9>
Central and prominent figures of modern Islamism include Hasan al-Banna
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasan_al-Banna>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasan_al-Banna> , Sayyid Qutb
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb> , Abul Ala Maududi
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abul_Ala_Maududi>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abul_Ala_Maududi> ,[10]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-10>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism#cite_note-10> and Ruhollah Khomein
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini>
On 10/26/2015 4:07 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
But I'm not sure about that word, Islamist. I think it was
coined by people
who lump all Muslims together, and assume they are terrorists.
I don't like
to defame a particular religion by using its name when what I
mean is an
extremist. The other appropriate word would be terrorist except
that now
people have begun to use that word as if it were synonymous
with Muslim.
Useage can get very tricky.
Miriam
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 2:42 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Ben Carson Says He's Against
Abortion in All
Cases, Makes Slavery Comparison
Miriam:
I tried to stay within the confines of previous usage, i.e.,
Muslim.
have long known that the problem with this world is its
inhabitants not its
religions.
It would be a much more peaceful place if it were not for the
population of
items we call people.
R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.
On 10/26/2015 1:09 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
I think the correct word is extremist. They come from
all religions,
Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. We have a lot of
Christian
extremists
right here in America and I wouldn't want any of them
to become
president,
although some are running, and have run, for the
office.
Miriam
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Of R. E.
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:41 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Ben Carson Says He's
Against Abortion
in All
Cases, Makes Slavery Comparison
Miriam:
Good points. I had forgotten about the 'Muslim'
comment. Perhaps
he should
have said 'Islamist'.
R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.
On 10/26/2015 11:07 AM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Ben Carson has also said that no Muslim should
be President.
Substitute the
word :Jew" for that and how does it sound to
you? He may
sound
better than
Donald Trump, but that's not saying much. I'd
say that the
best
Republican
candidate we have is Hillary Clinton because the
Republicans, as a
sane,
respectable party, don't exist anymore. The
Democratic Party
is what
the
Republicans used to be. Bernie Sanders and the
Congressional
Progressive
Caucus are what the Democratic party used to
be. Back in
those days,
the
Democratic Party had a southern wing which
included all the
racists.
However, Reagan's southern strategy
incorporated the
southern wing
of the
Democratic Party into the current Republican
Party.
Miriam
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On Behalf Of
R. E.
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 11:15 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Ben Carson Says
He's Against
Abortion
in All
Cases, Makes Slavery Comparison
All:
I happened to watch and listen to the TV News
Show
referenced.
Ben Carson came across to me as being a
thoughtful and
considerate
person
who has some very strong views about the social
conditions
of today.
He is, in my opinion, a better candidate than
Donald Trump
at this
point in
time.
R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.
On 10/26/2015 9:58 AM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Ben Carson Says He's Against Abortion
in All Cases,
Makes
Slavery
Comparison
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/ben_carson_says_hes_against_abor
tion_in_all_cases_20151025/
Posted on Oct 25, 2015
NBCNews.com
Dr. Ben Carson isn't shy about making
comparisons
with
slavery in
order to
draw attention to present-day
socio-political issues
in
America, and
during
an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press"
on Sunday,
he
invoked that
historical disgrace once again in
reference to
abortion.
On the weekly news show, Carson, who's
within close
range of
GOP
front-runner Donald Trump in the polls,
spelled out
his
uncompromising
stance on the polarizing issue of
abortion (via The
New York
Times):
The Republican presidential candidate
Ben Carson
said Sunday
he
believed
that abortion should be outlawed even
in cases of
rape and
incest,
comparing
the procedure with slavery.
"I would not be in favor of killing a
baby because
the baby
came
about in
that way," Mr. Carson said on NBC's
"Meet the
Press," citing
"the
many
stories of people who have led very
useful lives who
were
the result
of rape
or incest."
Mr. Carson, who has not been shy about
using slavery
and
Nazi
metaphors,
held up what he said was a historic
parallel with
abortion.
"During slavery, a lot of the slave
owners thought
that they
had the
right
to do whatever they wanted to that
slave," said Mr.
Carson,
a former
brain
surgeon. "Anything that they chose to
do. And, you
know,
what if the
abolitionist had said, you know, 'I
don't believe in
slavery. I
think it's
wrong. But you guys do whatever you
want to do.'
Where would
we be?"
Carson had previously drawn a parallel
to slavery
when
discussing
Obamacare
two years ago, during a speech at the
Values Voter
Summit in
Washington,
D.C., in which he said, "You know,
Obamacare is
really, I
think, the
worst
thing that has happened in this nation
since
slavery."
During his sit-down Sunday with "Meet
the Press"
moderator
Chuck
Todd,
Carson also addressed his willingness
to use the
Holocaust
and Nazi
Germany
to illustrate what he views as
modern-day societal
dangers.
"Interestingly
enough, in the last several weeks I've
heard from
many
people in the
Jewish
community, including rabbis, who have
said, 'You're
spot-on,' "
Carson said.
Watch Carson discuss his stance on
abortion, as well
as his
support
for
revoking Roe v. Wade, in the "Meet the
Press" clip
below
(via NBC):
</p><p>
-Posted by Kasia Anderson
http://www.truthdig.com/
http://www.truthdig.com/
Ben Carson Says He's Against Abortion
in All Cases,
Makes
Slavery
Comparison
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/ben_carson_says_hes_against_abor
tion_in_all_cases_20151025/
Posted on Oct 25, 2015
NBCNews.com
Dr. Ben Carson isn't shy about making
comparisons
with
slavery in
order to
draw attention to present-day
socio-political issues
in
America, and
during
an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press"
on Sunday,
he
invoked that
historical disgrace once again in
reference to
abortion.
On the weekly news show, Carson, who's
within close
range of
GOP
front-runner Donald Trump in the polls,
spelled out
his
uncompromising
stance on the polarizing issue of
abortion (via The
New York
Times):
The Republican presidential candidate
Ben Carson
said Sunday
he
believed
that abortion should be outlawed even
in cases of
rape and
incest,
comparing
the procedure with slavery.
"I would not be in favor of killing a
baby because
the baby
came
about in
that way," Mr. Carson said on NBC's
"Meet the
Press," citing
"the
many
stories of people who have led very
useful lives who
were
the result
of rape
or incest."
Mr. Carson, who has not been shy about
using slavery
and
Nazi
metaphors,
held up what he said was a historic
parallel with
abortion.
"During slavery, a lot of the slave
owners thought
that they
had the
right
to do whatever they wanted to that
slave," said Mr.
Carson,
a former
brain
surgeon. "Anything that they chose to
do. And, you
know,
what if the
abolitionist had said, you know, 'I
don't believe in
slavery. I
think it's
wrong. But you guys do whatever you
want to do.'
Where would
we be?"
Carson had previously drawn a parallel
to slavery
when
discussing
Obamacare
two years ago, during a speech at the
Values Voter
Summit in
Washington,
D.C., in which he said, "You know,
Obamacare is
really, I
think, the
worst
thing that has happened in this nation
since
slavery."
During his sit-down Sunday with "Meet
the Press"
moderator
Chuck
Todd,
Carson also addressed his willingness
to use the
Holocaust
and Nazi
Germany
to illustrate what he views as
modern-day societal
dangers.
"Interestingly
enough, in the last several weeks I've
heard from
many
people in the
Jewish
community, including rabbis, who have
said, 'You're
spot-on,' "
Carson said.
Watch Carson discuss his stance on
abortion, as well
as his
support
for
revoking Roe v. Wade, in the "Meet the
Press" clip
below
(via NBC):
</p><p>
-Posted by Kasia Anderson
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