Carl,
Your state of Washington wasn't a swing state, nor was my state of New York. So
I voted for Sanders in the primary, and for Stein in the Presidential election.
My vote for Stein was a purely selfish vote. I could reject Hillary because I
knew that she would carry New York, regardless of what I did. However, I would
not have had the luxury of doing that if I lived in one of the swing states
like Michigan, where Joe lives. That is because that vote for President had
little to do with who the nominee was and a lot to do with the way in which
government functioning would be influenced with a Republican President. Most
important, are the supreme court nominees, and the nominees to lesser courts.
And it is already very evident how the laws are interpreted when the Right
Wing has a majority on the supreme court. The lives of real people are
negatively affected. There is also a tone that is set for the country, a set of
values that are emphasized to the public. And those values, voiced by a
President and then magnified by other governmental officials and the media,
influences the behavior of our citizenry. There's no denying that the powerful
elites rule the world. However, there is very definitely a difference in how
the lives of average people are affected by Democrats and Republicans. Like
you, I also want fundamental changes. Like Chris Hedges, I believe that our
society is corrupted and dying. But I want to hold onto and augment anything
left that is positive and helpful. I've heard Julian Assange and other people
say that there was absolutely no difference in voting for Hillary Clinton or
Donald Trump. I think that is an insane statement on its face and besides, it
really isn't the point. If I believed that my vote for Jill Stein would have
contributed in any way to Trump's winning the Presidency, my guilt would have
been overwhelming.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:17 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: DNC Used Barricades To Keep Nina Turner From
Delivering Petition
Miriam,
Just goes to show you. All it takes to set me off is a quick glance at last
years news.
I guess that sometimes my rants give the impression that I'm a purest, but
actually I think I understand enough about human nature to know that none of us
has the perfect answer. Regardless of my belief that trying to turn the
corrupt Democratic Party into a People's Party is an exercise in futility, I
won't discourage those who believe it can be done. I presented my reasons for
voting for Sanders in the primary, and for Stein in the general election, but I
never asked anyone to refuse to vote for Clinton. As it all turned out, it
made little difference. But friends told me that a vote for Sanders or Stein
was a vote for Trump. Others told me that a vote for Stein was simply throwing
my vote away. In both cases my friends were subconsciously telling me that I
did not have the good sense, like they had, to grasp the real situation. In my
mind, I was voting for whom I saw as my best option. The Media makes elections
out to be contests between individuals, when it should be discussing the
Platforms behind each candidate...or upon which each candidate stands.
My mother-in-law looked at the candidates for president a number of elections
back, and said she was voting for Bob Dole, "Because I like his looks". In the
time I've been on this list, I've changed several of my basic positions. This
is due to the constant presentation of articles and information, and logical
discussion and the raising of questions. We need, somehow, to return to a
slower pace that allows us the time for such things as Town Meetings,
gatherings in our local precinct, real in depth reporting in our papers and on
TV and radio.
And to reach such a change in our priorities, we need support from all of the
splinter groups on the Left.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/27/17, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That happened last summer and the petitions were related to the
platform of the Democratic Party. The big debate on the left has to
do with whether, given the political and economic structure of the
US, it's wiser to take over an already existing party structure or
whether it's better to start from scratch. People on the left tend to
be purists. They argue over every point. Some people think the Green
Party is too Bourgeois. Some argue over which socialist party is
politically correct. While everyone splits into their little
politically correct purist sects, carefully picking their allies and
enemies, the wealthy pragmatists win the war. Evangelicals ally with a sinner
and thief in order to have the power of The White House.
Republicans who cautiously separated themselves from Trum to begin
with, happily join him. The New York Times hires a climate denier as a
columnist.
Even Amy Goodman has Syrian rebels allied with Al Qaeda on her program.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:45 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: DNC Used Barricades To Keep Nina
Turner From Delivering Petition
Considering that we people on the Left have no political party
representing us in congress, doesn't it seem more practical to take
those signatures and begin a Peoples Party, rather than bothering the
Democratic Party, and distracting them from their efforts to "Out
Kiss" the Republicans in smooching the backsides of Corporate America?
Carl Jarvis
On 7/26/17, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: The Real News Network [mailto:newsletter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
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