Miriam,
I totally agree, both with what you say and what you feel.
But after saying that, I can only pick up my butt and go forward doing
the best I can...for my sake and for my childrens.
Carl Jarvis
On 2/27/21, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl,Miriam,
It isn't that I think I can influence anything. One of the really sad things
is that I doubt that all of the organizing and demonstrating and petition
signing can change anything either. The young people are so optimistic and
they are trying so hard. But I am not detached. I respond emotionally to
what is happening. I was furious as I watched the Democratic Party
leadership squash the left wing of the party and impose Biden on the voters
as its candidate and take advantage of everyone's fear and hatred of Trump
to get Biden and the whole corporate, war promoting wing of the party, voted
into office. I'm enraged at the lies, at his renegging on election promises,
and basically, at the party's continuing abandonment of the majority of the
American people. I can look back over the years and trace how the corporate
sector took back complete control of the government, as I, personally, have
been hurt by the changes, and as how everyone else has been hurt. For me,
this isn't just an intellectual exercise. It's a personal afront. I don't
mean because of what has or hasn't happened to me. I mean because of how
people have been manipulated to act against their own interests and how,
even people who think they are doing relatively well financially now, work
so many hours and basically, have no security for the future.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 12:00 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Those unwanted emails
I don't know if I get pleasure from conflict, but I do do mostly observing
these days. But scared? Nothing more than the usual fears that follow us
through Life. As far as the future goes, I have never had an impact on it.
We will end up where we end up regardless of what we do.
So I live by my current beliefs, and only replace them when a more
convincing belief comes along.
My current thought is that the Human Species is like all plagues, swarming
larger and larger until it has devoured anything that might sustain it, and
then it will disappear. If we've left enough behind, we will be replaced by
something else.
When I was young and foolish, I thought that I could influence our future.
I did have some impact on the future of the blind in Washington State, but
that was a very small impact.
Carl Jarvis
On 2/27/21, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am very distressed just about all of the time when I read about what
is happening. I am very sympathetic toward all of the people who are
being hurt and I am terrified about the fate of this planet. The way
in which governments and big corporations act has always been
concerning, but I have never been has angry at the corruption and
frightened about what will happen to all of us as I am now.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 11:33 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Those unwanted emails
Whatever your reason for being interested in it I don't see how you
can follow politics if you don't enjoy observing conflict.
___
Emmett F. Fields “ Atheism is more than just the knowledge that gods
do not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud.
Atheism is an attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world
objectively, fearlessly, always trying to understand all things as a part
of nature.
” ― Emmett F. Fields
On 2/26/2021 10:11 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
I wouldn't enjoy humiliating someone, even if that person deserved it.
It's not what gives me pleasure. I also don't enjoy watching other
people fight, not physically, and not verbally. Even if someone is
showing that he is more logical than the other person, I don't enjoy
it because there's conflict and hostility involved and I don't enjoy
experiencing or observing conflict and hostility. What I wish for
everyone, is peace and harmony. That's what fuels my interest in
politics and international relations. I want people to take care of
each other, and respect each other.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran
Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:53 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Those unwanted emails
Twitter doesn't give enough space to make an argument. I don't think
it would be of much use in that regard other than maybe trading short
insults. But, as a matter of fact, I did enjoy trouncing Mustafa. I
have encountered enough bullies in my life that it literally gives me
joy to give as much as they give. I generally do not like to be
insulted, but when I got a torrent of insults after backing Mustafa
into a logical corner after he had so forthrightly claimed that his
position was the logical one I really did enjoy the insults. Doing
the same thing privately won't do. The bully tries to humiliate
publicly and doesn't care if no one observes his defeat. But publicly
showing him up for what he is can be another matter. And I knew from
the start that I was going to win this argument. It is an argument
that I never lose. And I do not mean that I never lose it in my own
mind. I won right out there where you and everyone else could see me
winning. I will take on Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons at my door on
occasion and it is a bit fun to see them try to wrestle with
questions that they never thought of getting, but it is not really so
much fun in the long run. They are not actually trying to bully. That
is more like those street preachers do. And, besides, having done
door to door work myself I am a little bit sympathetic towards them.
But when I can get a self righteous, condescending, judgemental bully
before an audience and take him down decisively then that is a lot of
fun. You ought to try it yourself. You don't know what you are missing.
___
Emmett F. Fields “ Atheism is more than just the knowledge that gods
do not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud.
Atheism is an attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world
objectively, fearlessly, always trying to understand all things as a part
of nature.
” ― Emmett F. Fields
On 2/26/2021 9:12 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Roger,
I never enjoyed those arguments. I didn't enjoy it when you argued
back and I doubt that anyone else except you enjoyed it. That was
what I kept saying. It is you who want to beat him in an argument. No
one else cares.
People may not like his posts, but no one likes watching people
fight on an email list. Well, maybe some people do, the same kind of
people who enjoy the fights that go on, on Twitter. But what people
are doing on Twitter, is showing off, trying to get the better of
each other, trying to show who's smarter. I think they're all acting
like narsissistic children.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran
Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 7:53 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Those unwanted emails
Well, Miriam, I don't respond to him anymore. I just send his
messages to the spam folder and delete them from there. But, yes, it
is tempting to respond. If he is looking for an argument I think I
have proven that I can give it to him and trounce him in the process.
That can be fun.
And, yes, it is a lot of fun to humiliate a bully. It is fun to give
a bully back what he dishes out and watch how he can't take what he
dishes out. I am not doing it now because I am getting his messages
from a personal mailing list. When I respond I am sending messages
to everyone on that list who are already demanding that they be
taken off of it anyway. If I did that I would be doing the same
thing to them that he is doing. I suppose I could check the address
fields and be sure that the message was going to him and him alone,
but that kind of takes the fun out of it.
___
Emmett F. Fields “ Atheism is more than just the knowledge that gods
do not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud.
Atheism is an attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world
objectively, fearlessly, always trying to understand all things as a
part of nature.
” ― Emmett F. Fields
On 2/26/2021 1:54 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
I can't imagine why you would be tempted to respond. He isn't
writing those emails because he wants real interchange of opinions.
He writes them to tempt people into arguments or sometimes, just to
taunt.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 12:00 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Those unwanted emails
Maybe I have an answer to those unwanted email messages.
Especially the latest ones from "James Madison". Of course James
Madison turns out to be our old pest, Mostaafa. After responding
to one of James(Mostafa)posts I received a message from Google
telling me that my email address had been compromised. Then my email
account was canceled.
With the assistance of my wife, we reestablished my google
account, but it was a bit upsetting, since I keep many files in
Google. But the sneaky way Mostafa gets around posting his
unsolicited posts made me suspiscious that my reply and the Google
post that discontinued my email account were somehow related. Once
again I will resolve that, no matter how tempting, I will refrain
from responding to Mostafa, no matter what name he uses.
Carl Jarvis