I don't know if I get pleasure from conflict, but I do do mostly
observing these days. But scared? Nothing more than the usual fears
that follow us through Life. As far as the future goes, I have never
had an impact on it. We will end up where we end up regardless of
what we do.
So I live by my current beliefs, and only replace them when a more
convincing belief comes along.
My current thought is that the Human Species is like all plagues,
swarming larger and larger until it has devoured anything that might
sustain it, and then it will disappear. If we've left enough behind,
we will be replaced by something else.
When I was young and foolish, I thought that I could influence our
future. I did have some impact on the future of the blind in
Washington State, but that was a very small impact.
Carl Jarvis
On 2/27/21, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am very distressed just about all of the time when I read about what is
happening. I am very sympathetic toward all of the people who are being
hurt and I am terrified about the fate of this planet. The way in which
governments and big corporations act has always been concerning, but I have
never been has angry at the corruption and frightened about what will happen
to all of us as I am now.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 11:33 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Those unwanted emails
Whatever your reason for being interested in it I don't see how you can
follow politics if you don't enjoy observing conflict.
___
Emmett F. Fields “ Atheism is more than just the knowledge that gods do
not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud. Atheism is
an attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world objectively,
fearlessly, always trying to understand all things as a part of nature.
” ― Emmett F. Fields
On 2/26/2021 10:11 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
I wouldn't enjoy humiliating someone, even if that person deserved it.
It's not what gives me pleasure. I also don't enjoy watching other people
fight, not physically, and not verbally. Even if someone is showing that
he is more logical than the other person, I don't enjoy it because there's
conflict and hostility involved and I don't enjoy experiencing or
observing conflict and hostility. What I wish for everyone, is peace and
harmony. That's what fuels my interest in politics and international
relations. I want people to take care of each other, and respect each
other.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:53 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Those unwanted emails
Twitter doesn't give enough space to make an argument. I don't think it
would be of much use in that regard other than maybe trading short
insults. But, as a matter of fact, I did enjoy trouncing Mustafa. I have
encountered enough bullies in my life that it literally gives me joy to
give as much as they give. I generally do not like to be insulted, but
when I got a torrent of insults after backing Mustafa into a logical
corner after he had so forthrightly claimed that his position was the
logical one I really did enjoy the insults. Doing the same thing privately
won't do. The bully tries to humiliate publicly and doesn't care if no one
observes his defeat. But publicly showing him up for what he is can be
another matter. And I knew from the start that I was going to win this
argument. It is an argument that I never lose. And I do not mean that I
never lose it in my own mind. I won right out there where you and everyone
else could see me winning. I will take on Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons
at my door on occasion and it is a bit fun to see them try to wrestle with
questions that they never thought of getting, but it is not really so much
fun in the long run. They are not actually trying to bully. That is more
like those street preachers do. And, besides, having done door to door
work myself I am a little bit sympathetic towards them. But when I can get
a self righteous, condescending, judgemental bully before an audience and
take him down decisively then that is a lot of fun. You ought to try it
yourself. You don't know what you are missing.
___
Emmett F. Fields “ Atheism is more than just the knowledge that gods do
not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud. Atheism is an
attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world objectively, fearlessly,
always trying to understand all things as a part of nature.
” ― Emmett F. Fields
On 2/26/2021 9:12 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Roger,
I never enjoyed those arguments. I didn't enjoy it when you argued back
and I doubt that anyone else except you enjoyed it. That was what I kept
saying. It is you who want to beat him in an argument. No one else cares.
People may not like his posts, but no one likes watching people fight on
an email list. Well, maybe some people do, the same kind of people who
enjoy the fights that go on, on Twitter. But what people are doing on
Twitter, is showing off, trying to get the better of each other, trying
to show who's smarter. I think they're all acting like narsissistic
children.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 7:53 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Those unwanted emails
Well, Miriam, I don't respond to him anymore. I just send his messages to
the spam folder and delete them from there. But, yes, it is tempting to
respond. If he is looking for an argument I think I have proven that I
can give it to him and trounce him in the process. That can be fun.
And, yes, it is a lot of fun to humiliate a bully. It is fun to give a
bully back what he dishes out and watch how he can't take what he dishes
out. I am not doing it now because I am getting his messages from a
personal mailing list. When I respond I am sending messages to everyone
on that list who are already demanding that they be taken off of it
anyway. If I did that I would be doing the same thing to them that he is
doing. I suppose I could check the address fields and be sure that the
message was going to him and him alone, but that kind of takes the fun
out of it.
___
Emmett F. Fields “ Atheism is more than just the knowledge that gods do
not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud. Atheism is
an attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world objectively,
fearlessly, always trying to understand all things as a part of nature.
” ― Emmett F. Fields
On 2/26/2021 1:54 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
I can't imagine why you would be tempted to respond. He isn't writing
those emails because he wants real interchange of opinions. He writes
them to tempt people into arguments or sometimes, just to taunt.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 12:00 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Those unwanted emails
Maybe I have an answer to those unwanted email messages. Especially the
latest ones from "James Madison". Of course James Madison turns out to
be our old pest, Mostaafa. After responding to one of
James(Mostafa)posts I received a message from Google telling me that my
email address had been compromised. Then my email account was canceled.
With the assistance of my wife, we reestablished my google account, but
it was a bit upsetting, since I keep many files in Google. But the
sneaky way Mostafa gets around posting his unsolicited posts made me
suspiscious that my reply and the Google post that discontinued my email
account were somehow related. Once again I will resolve that, no matter
how tempting, I will refrain from responding to Mostafa, no matter what
name he uses.
Carl Jarvis