[etni] Fw: RE: etni Digest V8 #39-- oral exam to Avi and Adele
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- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:14:55 +0200
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From: Adele P. Raemer - raemer@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: etni Digest V8 #39-- oral exam to Avi and Adele
Dear Eleanor,
Excellent question. But before I address that, another issue that has not
been touched, as far as I have seen, is this: not only is the lack of a
project problematic regarding the oral exam, but it is also meant to be
counted as 30% of the yearly grade for one of the modules. So, are those
"doctored", too? This is becoming SO problematic..
Regarding your question, I would suggest one of two things:
1. Do the project right now, while there is still time (for the sake of
your students, so that they do not get penalized for the Irgun's stand)
2. Ask Ran Erez what he suggests! Does HE come out and tell the
teachers to "doctor" the yearly grade in the module where it is meant to be
counted as 30%, as well as "overlooking" the fact that students have not
done the work required for the oral exam? It is all well and good saying on
the site that Irgun teachers are not allowed to do projects - but does he go
so far as to suggest HOW to implement this without using our students as the
pawns in this struggle? I really DO want to know - this is NOT a rhetorical
question! As I have said before, in NUMEROUS postings: we DO deserve more
compensation for the multitude of tasks that we do as English teachers -
above and beyond what other teachers do, and if Ran Erez can get it for us,
more power to him. However, after witnessing the fiasco of the big teachers'
strike 2 years ago, when there was SO much support from teachers from BOTH
unions, I simply do not believe in the man any more. He is throwing a stink
bomb into the crowd and then running away!
And now _I_ have a question: Are Histadrut teachers, who did their projects
with their students, and go to test a student whose teachers are from the
Irgun, expected to "doctor" the oral exam, when THEY, themselves, and their
students, did the project work and earned their grades honestly, according
to the guidelines? I believe that this is how we started this discussion in
the first place. Looking at things from the perspective of the "other "
side, this whole thing has been so mishandled, that unraveling the mess has
become much more than challenging. Because we are both Irgun AND Histadrut
, this is a real problem. (The fact that there are two unions in such a
small country is so absurd. )
Well.. that's MY take on it, anyway.
Adele
BTW: just to set the record straight, in 2003 the Irgun agreed to the
projects IN WRITING. Last year they started the sanctions without any
negotiations...
Eleanor wrote:
> I have been following the following the debate on what Irgun teachers
> should or should not do with the Oral tests approaching.
> > The problem that has been raised is serious - it is not the teachers who
> will be penalized but the pupils. Adele and Avi have both said that a
> teacher must be honest and certainly set an example. And I ask you both
> as testers, as Inspectors
> What advice do you Avi, Adele, have for all those Irgun teachers (I hope
> there aren't too many) who did not scramble and put together projects?
> These people were following their union leaders who told us not to do
> projects.
> AS for honesty -I believe they are still telling their members not to
> check
> them/grade them (I haven't checked).
> Please do not give these teachers answers about taking responsibility -
> because that is exactly the problem : the pupils will be bearing the
> punishment.
> What do you advise them to do? I am seriously asking you to post your
> suggestions for these teachers. Shoul
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