[etni] Fw: Re: Letter from Ran Erez to Judy Steiner
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- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:52:14 +0300
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From: "sara g" <saragabai@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Letter from Ran Erez to Judy Steiner
not only has there been no official announcement about pay for
checking the logs. (i was told by someone in the MOE a few months ago
that this was done in the pilot, but there is no promise it will
happen in the final program. of course, i hope it will.)
but we are one month and 10 days from the start of the school year,
and there has been NO official announcement of what pieces are to be
taught for the exam (5 pts, 4 pts), exactly what will have to be in
the log (5 pts, 4 pts) and actually we don't have a final program. all
we know is that there are going to be changes made from what was done
in the pilot. and no one has ever seen any program for the 4 pt.
classes, not even a pilot or example of a test.
i understand that the delay in announcing the final program is due,
at least in part, to the MOE wanting to take into consideration the
teachers' comments and request. that is good. but it still is going to
be a problem for teachers (histadrut hamorim members, who are not on
sanctions) to start teaching something without having enough time to
prepare.
why don't you (histadrut members) bring this issue up to your union?
sara g
Michele wrote:
> Obviously lies shouldn't be used to plead any case. I haven't seen any
> official paper saying that marking logs are paid like marking a bagrut
> exam. Perhaps that was done in the pilot, but has it been put into policy
> for implementation of the program?
> As for the way Irgun HaMorim does things - I have never liked it. I
> have, in the distant past, said as much on this list. On the other hand,
> Histadrut HaMorim is no better and has sold all teachers short by signing
> Ofek Hadash.
Mitzi wrote:
> I certainly don't object to getting paid more! I DO object to lies being
> used to plead the case. Any teacher who takes a course and already has all
> of the 20 gmulim - whether in civics, history or English, doesn't benefit
> from the gmul given for the course, so I don't think that is relevant. To
> say that teachers are being forced to take the course this summer with no
> compensation is simply not true. I happen to know that there is a long
> waiting list of teachers who wanted to take the course in the summer, and
> were closed out of the course because of the many teachers who signed up
> first.
> As for marking the logs, yes - we are paid as bagrut markers at the
> present
> rate of 126 NIS per what they think you can do in an hour - in this case 5
> logs. (For an F exam, it's 6 exam papers). If you mark tasks as you go and
> all you have to do at the end is mark the last task and make sure all of
> the
> assignments are in the log, this number per hour is definitely fair.
> I've always thought there should be gmul "hachana l'bagrut" for the
> projects and oral bagrut- especially since it is a separate bagrut exam,
> complete with magen grade! But, as I understand, Irgun Hamorim signed an
> agreement with the ministry about the projects when they were started.
> There was no attempt at negotiation for better terms before sanctions were
> announced. I don't think that is the way to get want is due us.
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