[etni] Re: Fw: Re: Letter from Ran Erez to Judy Steiner
- From: Sandra Yosef-Hassidim <hassidim@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ask@xxxxxxxx, Etni <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
I agree with Michelle. Let's please pull all forces together and work with the
tools we have (Irgun). Most English teachers would agree that there is no
proportion between our workload and what we get paid. Most English teachers
would agree that reintroducing literature in the bagrut exam will enrich our
students, but the extra work involved on the teachers' part, should be
reflected in a salary raise. So why turn this into a debate?
The Irgun is certainly far from ideal-but who would expect them to be? I mean,
that's what unions are like, as far as I know. Still, I'm grateful that we
(still) have one and that they are finally doing something about our
situation.So let's stand together, as one united block.
Sandra Yosef-Hassidim
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Subject: [etni] Fw: Re: Letter from Ran Erez to Judy Steiner
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Subject: Re: Letter from Ran Erez to Judy Steiner
From: Michele Ben <mggben@xxxxxxxxx>
Obviously lies shouldn't be used to plead any case. I haven't seen any
official paper saying that marking logs are paid like marking a bagrut
exam. Perhaps that was done in the pilot, but has it been put into policy
for implementation of the program?
As for the way Irgun HaMorim does things - I have never liked it. I
have, in the distant past, said as much on this list. On the other hand,
Histadrut HaMorim is no better and has sold all teachers short by signing
Ofek Hadash.
Michele
Mitzi wrote:
> I certainly don't object to getting paid more! I DO object to lies being
> used to plead the case. Any teacher who takes a course and already has all
> of the 20 gmulim - whether in civics, history or English, doesn't benefit
> from the gmul given for the course, so I don't think that is relevant. To
> say that teachers are being forced to take the course this summer with no
> compensation is simply not true. I happen to know that there is a long
> waiting list of teachers who wanted to take the course in the summer, and
> were closed out of the course because of the many teachers who signed up
> first.
> As for marking the logs, yes - we are paid as bagrut markers at the
> present
> rate of 126 NIS per what they think you can do in an hour - in this case 5
> logs. (For an F exam, it's 6 exam papers). If you mark tasks as you go and
> all you have to do at the end is mark the last task and make sure all of
> the
> assignments are in the log, this number per hour is definitely fair.
> I've always thought there should be gmul "hachana l'bagrut" for the
> projects and oral bagrut- especially since it is a separate bagrut exam,
> complete with magen grade! But, as I understand, Irgun Hamorim signed an
> agreement with the ministry about the projects when they were started.
> There
> was no attempt at negotiation for better terms before sanctions were
> announced. I don't think that is the way to get want is due us.
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