----- Original Message ----- From: marina perez - marinaruthperez@xxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: 5 point cut-off grade I think you misunderstood Sara. The cut-foo grade is between an English speakes class to a regular 5 points class. In that case, I believe they should be given a G (or at least F) test early in 10th grade. They shoud get at least 85 or 90, otherwise they should wait until 12th grade. I mean, if they can't get at least 90 (final grade !) in the 5 point Bagrut, what is the point of doing the Bagrut in 11th grade? Ruthie Vera wrote: >Any grade above 65 average for 5 pts. is better than taking a 4 point >exam. The bonus for university is calculated as following: 5 x grade = bonus or 4x grade = bonus for 4 point students, In other words: 5 x 65 = 325 whereas 4 x 80 = 320 or 4 x 90 = 360 (here the 4 point students gets a higher bonus than the weak 5 pointer ). However, the chances that a student who will get 65 on a 5 point exam, will get a 90 on the 4 pt. test, are not very high. BUT: if a student gets less than 65 average in the 5 pt (or 4 pt.) exam, he won't get a bonus at all!!!! David wrote: > This is a question which has been bothering me for some > time. I think that the answer hinges on what grade pupils > need in 5 points to make it worthwhile doing instead of a 4 > point exam. I've been told by one source that the grade is > 80 otherwise it is better to get a higher grade for 4 > points. > I have an excel spreadsheet on my computer which allows me > to calculate and predict final bagrut grades. > What I try to impress on my pupils is that it is most > important to get a high grade (over 90) on module E. This > gives them a safety net for the rest of the exam. Assuming > that they will do well on the Oral exam (if they don't, they > shouldn't be 5-pointers) they will be able to afford to drop > points on F and G -- this will probably happen as marks are > deducted for writing mistakes in these 2 modules. > So a grade of 92 in module E, 70 in F, 70 in G and 92 in the > Oral comes out as a final grade of 80. > I think that it is reasonable to expect this from a 5- > pointer. Sara wrote: > our 9th grade accelerated class- which so many of you helped > me with-will start 10th grade next year. the idea, of course, is to > do E in 10th grade, and F, G (the lit F if we need to) in 11th. > i have heard of schools who have the kids and their parents > sign a contract that they will do the bagrut in the 11th grade only > if their magen ("school grade" ) is over a certain grade. otherwise, > they will continue in the 12th grade with a regular 5 point class. > do any of your schools do this? for E? or only for F, G? And > if so, what is the "cutoff" grade? do you think it is a good idea? ----------------------------------------------- ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org or - http://www.etni.org.il ** ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------