[etni] Fw: re: spik inglish
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- Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:33:57 +0200
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From: Linda Dayan - lindadayan7@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: spik inglish
Hi, Doron,
First, I liked your reply to the person who dropped the literature
course.
However, I do not agree that a non-native English speaker cannot achieve
"full native competence", which I understand to mean that an Israeli can
never talk like a native speaker. There are two English teachers in my
school - neither of whom has ever lived abroad -whose spoken English sounds
as American as mine if not more so (I am a native speaker, by the way).
There is such a thing as an ear for language (many times connected with and
ear for music) and so teachers can hope that some pupils will, indeed, reach
this high standard.
Linda
Doron wrote:
> Another point in the "spik Inglish" wars: since it is impossible for
> non-native speakers to achieve full native competence, it is wrong to hold
> them to a native-speaker standard. We should talk, precisely, of
> "competence" in L1, L2, L3, etc., as indeed the European Union, among
> others, suggests. Laurie will never be mistaken for a native-speaking
> Bedouin; she can, with work, reach pretty good L3 competence, and be
> congratulated for doing so. The same is true of Barry's Russian and
> Ethiopian pupils, and my Arabic speakers - all hope to achieve
> "sufficiently
> good" competence in their L3 - English. To expect more is worse than
> unrealistic, it is unfair and disempowering.
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