[etni] תשובה: [etni] Fw: re: spik inglish
- From: paula orenstein <paulao@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ask@xxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:47:18 +0200
Hi all
I would like to add that there is also a "feel' for language as well as "ear
for language" as there is a feel for a spoken or written word in general. We
might as well say that all native english speakers out there will never master
Hebrew and in my book, Hebrew is far more richer than English will ever be.
don't forget that the most important book was written in Hebrew.And no offence
to native Englsih speakers, i am familiar with enough of them to argue that
their Hebrew is not "sufficient And let's face it, a proper pronounciation
is not the biggest problem in our education system
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תאריך: יום ג', פברואר 23, 2010 9:16
נושא: [etni] Fw: re: spik inglish
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Linda Dayan - lindadayan7@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: spik inglish
>
>
> Hi, Doron,
>
> First, I liked your reply to the person who dropped the
> literature
> course.
>
> However, I do not agree that a non-native English speaker
> cannot achieve
> "full native competence", which I understand to mean that an
> Israeli can
> never talk like a native speaker. There are two English teachers
> in my
> school - neither of whom has ever lived abroad -whose spoken
> English sounds
> as American as mine if not more so (I am a native speaker, by the
> way).
> There is such a thing as an ear for language (many times connected
> with and
> ear for music) and so teachers can hope that some pupils will,
> indeed, reach
> this high standard.
>
> Linda
>
>
> Doron wrote:
> > Another point in the "spik Inglish" wars: since it is impossible for
> > non-native speakers to achieve full native competence, it is
> wrong to hold
> > them to a native-speaker standard. We should talk, precisely, of
> > "competence" in L1, L2, L3, etc., as indeed the European Union,
> among> others, suggests. Laurie will never be mistaken for a
> native-speaking
> > Bedouin; she can, with work, reach pretty good L3 competence,
> and be
> > congratulated for doing so. The same is true of Barry's Russian and
> > Ethiopian pupils, and my Arabic speakers - all hope to achieve
> > "sufficiently
> > good" competence in their L3 - English. To expect more is worse than
> > unrealistic, it is unfair and disempowering.
>
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