[etni] Re: Fwd: Fwd: Question about following sanctions
- From: "sbshai" <sbshai@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <saragabai@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:40:26 +0200
... Sounds good, but can you kindly tell us what -- in fact -- happened in
cases where a student didn't have a project to present for his oral exam
because the teacher refused to break the sanctions?
I've heard that some "solved" this problem by asking their students to get
hold of a project and use it as their own; however, that is unconscionable
to
many -- IMHO, even worse than the standard "cut and paste" jobs we're not
supposed to accept. (I can't see how a teacher can warn a class against
plagiarism , cheating on tests or any other form of dishonesty if she/he
unabashedly gives such advice.)
The point I'm driving at is that the union often doesn't give us a strong
enough leg to stand on, and instead of doing so it often repeats the
refrain: "You must support the sanctions no matter what!" I find that kind
of "follow the leader blindly" mentality to be rather discouraging and
dispiriting. It may work nicely for the Irgun officials (who can always
say, "Well, what do you expect if you don't maintain our sanctions!"), but
it leaves us in a bind -- and one that we pay for handsomely, at that!
BTW, HOTS is going to be so easy to avoid; it will require an even greater
expenditure of energy on our part to stick to our principles!
----- Original Message -----
From: "sara g" <saragabai@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "ETNI list" <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Marj Bitran" <marj1959@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, 10 October, 2010 11:23 AM
Subject: [etni] Fwd: Fwd: Question about following sanctions
> the answer to this question is as follows:
>
> if teachers do not do what the MOE tells them to do, they are legally
> liable for the consequences. that is - if a kid fails the oral because
> he doesn't have a project, the parents can sue the teacher personally.
> and they might win.
>
> BUT- if the teacher was following instructions from their "irgun
> yatzig" (union) - that is, if the teacher was following sanctions of
> the irgun - even if the parents sue, the teacher will not be found at
> fault. (i checked this with a lawyer friend, besides being told this
> by nurit valencie from the irgun).
>
> we will solve this HOTS problem only if we are strong and uphold the
> irgun's sanctions.
>
> sara g
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Lloyd <dlloyd54@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 6:22 AM
> Subject: [etni] Fwd: Question
> To: Etni <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marj Bitran" <marj1959@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Question
>
> My/our union- Irgun HaMorim- has stated that we MUST NOT take any
> courses or teach anything for the new literature bagrut.
>
> My/our "employer"- the Ministry via local municipalities- has stated
> that we MUST teach the newly implemented curriculum in order to teach
> bagrut classes since the only way our students can get a bagrut in 4
> or 5 points is with the new lit. stuff.
>
> Question: Does anyone know, LEGALLY, who we really "must" obey? I
> think many of us would appreciate this information. I am willing to
> put my job on the line but my pension? I'm not sure about that. If
> you have a friend, family member, whatever, in the field of law and
> can provide some insight, I'd be grateful!
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