Counselors for the excellent study days at the end of June. It was obvious that a lot of time and effort was put in to planning and implementing them. I would also like to thank Dr. Steiner for being there and answering our questions as tired as she was. I can't say that I'm now more enthusiastic about the HOTS program but I'm certainly better informed. I feel that (with all due respect) my questions were "handled" rather than answered especially regarding our very weak 4 pointers. For those who were not present, I pointed out to Dr. Steiner that every year we have students who are actually 3 pointers but refuse to do that exam because "it's not worth anything", their opinion not mine. It is however the general feeling in our society mainly because of college requirements. With lots of hard work, these students manage to scrape a 58 or 60 as their final 4 point grade.( As in the situation Sara G described) I told Dr. Steiner that I feel that with the HOTS they will be forced to do 3 points whether they like it or not. For an answer, I was quoted data regarding the potential benefits of having weak students do the HOTS. That was not my question. I didn't want to argue the point or get into a debate as time for questions was short. The only answer I felt I could work with was that I was promised flexibility in approving our literature program for our weak students. Another teacher at the assembly from Ramat Hagolan, I believe, spoke practically in tears, of her weak Ethiopian class and what was to be done about them??? We have the same problem. We are under extreme pressure from Aliyat Hanoar to have our Ethiopians do 4 pts. Unfortunately, they have a very hard time comprehending the contents of any standard unseen and now they are going to do literary tasks??? Right. Aviva, your confusion may arise from the fact that one schools' weak pupils may be another schools' strong pupils. You say that you had great success with your weak pupils. I have no doubt. Those same students, however, may be considered strong at Sara's school or Esther's school or my school. You need to understand that our weak students are not just weak in English or in academics in general, they are weak intellectually. Is Hots forcing them to fail? Maybe not, but the material will have to be so watered down and spoon fed that it totally defeats the purpose. Dr. Steiner asked me on the first study day: "Aren't you tired of doing the same unseens over and over and over again?" I said Yes! In the same breathe, the program must be redesigned to accommodate the weak students, otherwise it's all for not. Adele, please do not be offended by our colleagues. I for one, value your input so please do not "keep quiet". I don't think that will make anyone "happy". For those who are fasting, Tzom Kal! For everyone- have a great summer! Nathan Singer ----------------------------------------------- ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------