**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** I'm usually a 'lurker' on the list, but goaded into a response by the latest correspondence about native speakers. The main issue is, as Fay rightly says, whether the teachers are 'good teachers, who care about their students and do their best to get the kids to get to the highest level of English the pupils are cabable of!' I agree that the definition 'good teachers' includes being highly competent speakers of English themselves, but not that it necessarily implies being a 'native'. The generalizations that have been made about non-native speakers in the recent correspondence, as if they are by definition inferior speakers of English, are unjustified, and insulting to many teachers. There are certainly non-native-speaker teachers who make mistakes; there are also many who don't. I can think of several non-native-speaker teachers of my acquaintance who speak English as fluently and correctly as I (a 'native speaker') do. Surely the vital point, as regards level of English, is whether a teacher uses the language correctly and fluently, not whether or not they were originally born or brought up in an English speaking country. Penny Penny Ur Moshav Amnun 106 ISRAEL 12392 ++972 4 6801460, ++972 51 917416 ** ##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### ##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx #####