[gps-talkusers] Re: WARNING ABOUT UK POIS

  • From: Charles LaPierre <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:24:12 -0700

Hi Steve

Thanks for the examples and it seems UK POIs are not as finely sub-divided as the ones in North America. You are correct though as I am using a sub-category name incorrectly. The Category "Medical Services" sub-category "General Practitioner" should be renamed to just "Doctor" because all of the POIs you mention below are grouped under the same sub-category in the original data. So the next release of Sendero GPS will fix this naming convention and have the subcategory be called "Doctor" instead of General Practitioner, I hope that will clear up the confusion.

I did look up all the examples you gave (Bingham, Vyan nevil-towe, Peter Haynes, and Western Elms Surgery) and they were all classified under "Doctor" with the TeleAtlas Category number as 7393. So until they subdivide those into finer detail I will have to leave them under the new sub-category name of "Doctor".

Now that being said, you could go in and change the sub-category yourself, I know we have a sub-category of "Chiropractor". This raises another question Steve, you said this should be called "chiropody", should this be renamed as well for UK English?

I do not have an estimated release date on any patches at this time as we are making a number of small corrections including this one and the one found regarding empty routes.

As for your "Pub" question.

TeleAtlas had a sub-category labelled "Pub Food" so I created a sub-category under "Restaurants" for this category. There is already under "Alcohol Establishment" the sub-category "Pub" which I would expect you to find all your Pubs under. From what the Beta Testers in the UK have told me there are not too many "Pub Foods" POIs to begin with so I would look under Alcohol Establishment / Pub to find your favorite watering hole :)

I may decide to rename under "Alcohol Establishment" subcategory "Pub" to be "Pub/Bar" because it is a catch all and I would expect your Wine Bar's to also be put into this category. Now if you can find me a Thirdparty ID of a Wine Bar I will know for sure where I am placing that, but my guess is its in "Pub".

Thanks
Charles.


At 08:24 AM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
Hi Charles

As far as the medical category is concerned there are not enough categories
to cover all needs. You only seem to have Dental, General, Hospital and
Optician. The problem is that in the UK a General Practitioner is what we
call the general doctor you call when something hurts or doesn't seem to
work properly. My wife is a chiropodist (pediatrist I think over there) and
only deals with foot problems.

I detail the three local medical services that I think are misledingly
categorised and my local doctor who I would consider to be correctly.

Bingham; a (name)
medical service (category)
general practitioner (subcategory)
258260002627382 (third party id)
should be chiropody

Vyan nevil-towe (name)
medical services (category)
General practitioner (subcategegory
258260002614022
Should be osteopath or alternative medicine

Peter Haynes (name)
medical services (category)
general practitioner (subcategory)
258260002604862
Should be alternative medicine

This is the correct one

Western Elms Surgery (name)
medical services (category)
General practitioner (subcategor)

Restaurants/pubs

Difficult to know what to suggest here. The English pub is a drinking house.
Many do not serve food at all. However the Alcohol establishment category
does not have an appropriate subcategory. Most pubs seem to be listed as
Restaurant, with a subcategory of cafe, which is definitely not right (in
some you would be chucked out for asking for coffee).

Other restaurants seem to be categorised reasonably well.

Foresters Arms (name)
restaurant (category)
Cafe (subcategory)
258260002253542 (third party id)

rose thistle (name) (system obviously does not like 'and')
restaurant (category)
cafe (subcategory)
258260002273134

Nag's Head (name)
restaurant (category)
cafe (subcategor)
258260002553548

This next one is a restaurant but it is not subcategorised
5 the restaurant (name)
restaurant (category)
258260002611412 (third party id)

This next one is a coffe shop and is probably correctly categorised as
restaurant, cafe.

Workhouse coffee (name)
restaurant (category)
cafe (subcategory)
258260002499880

I hope all of this helps. Call on me again if you need further help.

Steve



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles LaPierre" <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:53 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: WARNING ABOUT UK POIS


Hi Steve,

Thank you for your feedback and I would like to see what I can do to
try to improve the sub-categories for the UK and all other European
POIs.  The dataset I get from TeleAtlas is completely different
between North America from Europe, and I have to have different
mappings to convert their POI categories and sub-categories into our
own smaller set of categories and sub-categories.  If you feel a
sub-category is in error I can try to see what can be done to fix the
issue but I will need a little information from you.

First I will need a Third Party ID for the POI in question (which you
can get from the POI Details.)
Then I will need the current Category and Sub-category the POI is in,
and then what category/subcategory you think it should be in
instead.  If you can provide 2 examples for each issue then I can go
back to the original Data from TeleAtlas and see what category and
sub-category they had the POI set to and then figure out if I can
re-map them to the requested new category/subcategory.

I may not be able to do anything but I will let you know what I find
out.  I.E.if you say that a Pub is listed under Restaurant, but if I
find that these Pub's have the same TeleAtlas Category number as
other real restaurants then I won't be able to fix the problem
because I will just move all restaurants to pubs or vice versa which
won't help anything.  But I won't know what the issue is until I have
more information.

Thanks
Charles.


At 08:32 AM 10/25/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Guys
>
>Since starting to use the new maps I have noticed that the POI subsidiary
>categories on UK POIs seem to be rather suspect. I am particularly
>concerned
>about the medical services category.
>
>All the POIs in the medical services category seem to have been given a
>subcategory of general practitioner. This would lead a UK user to suspect
>that they were all doctors in general practice. This subcategory has been
>applied to my wife who is a chiropodist. A local hypnotherapist and
>Osteopath have been shown in the same way.
>
>Other subcategories do not look much better. Most pubs seem to be listed
>under restaurants whether or not they do food and subcategories appear to
>have no entries at all.
>
>I have reported the problems to Sendero but I cannot at the moment find a
>way of reporting them to Telatlas as the web site seems to only want to
>know
>about positions of businesses.
>
>Steve
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sharon Ewing" <sharon.ewing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:09 PM
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Looking for bigger flash cards
>
>
>Also, another brand that isn't as widely known as these, but which has had
>a
>lot of consistent good behavior as far as their pen drives, SD cards and
>Compact Flash cards with the Braille Note even when it did not take as many
>cards and drives as it does now is PNY.  They are less expensive, for the
>most part, than the others are, as well.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peggy Kern
>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:59 AM
>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Looking for bigger flash cards
>
>Thanks, Kevin.  I love Newegg.  I just wasn't sure what brands, besides
>Sandisk, work with the BrailleNote, and I didn't want to pay for something
>I'd have problems returning.  So now I'll add Transcend to my list of
>usable
>cards.  I remember Mike said he was using a 32 gb card.  Mike, what brand
>is
>it, and where did you get it?  Inquiring minds want to know.  <grin>
>
>Peggy
>http://kernsac.livejournal.com/
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:37 AM
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Looking for bigger flash cards
>
>
> >
> > Peggy,
> >
> > I would recommend brands, such as SanDisk, Transcend me many other
> > brands.
> > I would suggest http://www.newegg.com as I have found very good deals.
> > For
> > example, I found a 16GB card by Transcend for around$50.
> >
> > Kevin
> > -original message-
> > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Looking for bigger flash cards
> > From: "Peggy Kern" <kernsac@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 10/24/2008 11:41 PM
> >
> > Okay, guys, now that our maps are bigger, does anyone know of a good
> > brand
> > of compact flash card that's 16 or 32 gb, and where to get it?  I've
> > just
> > about filled my 2 gb card with maps for California, Oregon, Washington,
> > and
> > some extra POI files, and I'd like to store my stuff on a card with a
> > bit
> > more room.  Does anyone know of any sales?
> >
> > Peggy
> > http://kernsac.livejournal.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >

Charles M. La Pierre
CTO Sendero Group
"The GPS company." Distributors of the mPower, PK, Victor Stream,
Voice Sense, KNFB Mobile Reader, Talks, Miniguide and ID Mate
1-888-757-6810

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Charles M. La Pierre
CTO Sendero Group
"The GPS company." Distributors of the mPower, PK, Victor Stream, Voice Sense, KNFB Mobile Reader, Talks, Miniguide and ID Mate
1-888-757-6810

Lat. 37 15' 25" N  Lon: 121 53' 04" W



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