Hi,I have used both and the miniguide is streets ahead in my opinion. I trialled the moat sensor and gave it back because it wasn't useful. I found that the beam was to skinny so you had to constantly scan and it was hit an miss if it would locate poles or not. If you were scanning in the wrong direction at the wrong time you could easily miss it. It's max range was only three meters and the battery only lasted around two weeks.
The mini-guide has a range of up to 8 meters, although in reality it's probably around 5 or 6, slightly better than the 4 meter range. At longer distances, it's beam gets broader than the moat sensors, so you don't have to scan as much with it. I just keep it by my side and when something comes in to range and doesn't disappear as I get closer, only then do I start scanning for it's exact location.
Of course this is only my personal opinion and others may differ, but I sware by the mini-guide and didn't find the Moat sensor useful at all.
Cheers, Brett.----- Original Message ----- From: "Koji Matsuda (Yahoo)" <kojim33jp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: e: Re: Mini Guide
I was talking to a friend of mine who never used Miniguide, but she said that it sounded similar to mowat sensor. I never saw that one either, but she said that the device was more useful indoor and not much so outdoor. Did anyone use mowat sensor? Any major differences? Koji -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brett Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:20 AM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: e: Re: Mini Guide Hi,It would work in the snow, but you probably wouldn't want to use it when itis snowing. I don't use mine when it's raining. It's a good idea to try to keep moisture out of the unit. Cheers, Brett.----- Original Message ----- From: "Koji Matsuda (Yahoo)" <kojim33jp@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: e: Re: Mini GuideOh wow, the battery lasts that long? That is wonderful. I wish I could try it out. It sounds so neat. I like to walk fast and sometimes my cane can'tkeep up with me. A device like Miniguide might be helpful to me. Does itwork in the snow? Koji -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brett Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:48 PM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: e: Re: Mini Guide Hi, I still would recommend the miniguide as I agree that a broken or bent cane is a problem with the Ultracane. The other advantage of the miniguide is that you can use it with out a cane, such as walking around in the office where you don't necessarily need your cane but want to avoid desks or chairs or tell if doors are open or closed. The other advantage of the miniguide is that you can scan in totally different directions to where your cane is pointing. For Example, you can scan at 90 degrees to your direction of travel if you are trying to locate or count doorways or light poles etc. I have had the miniguide for 9 months and haven't yet had a problem with thevibration unit and since the manual says that these units are commerciallyavailable, I would assume they wouldn't be too expensive as they aren't custom made. The Miniguide is also really well made, the Ultra cane says it's batteries last one to two weeks, but my 9 months old miniguide is still on the same battery. Cheers, Brett.----- Original Message ----- From: "jason smith" <thisisjj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: e: Re: Mini GuideHi Karen,I am glad this discussion of the miniguide has come up, as I am currentlylooking into possibly getting one. I have been debating between looking atgetting the miniguide, or the ultracane. The ultracane uses the same principles as the miniguide, but is twice the price I believe. Oneadvantage of the ultracane, is that you can keep your other hand free, asthe vibrating information, is built into the handle of a standard cane. Assomeone who has broken two canes in one day before, through people tripping over it in a crowd, I am cautious about spending so much money, incase the same happens again. The miniguide therefore, may be a better alternative. There are demonstration podcasts on both the miniguide and ultracane on www.blindcooltech.com if anyone is interested. A question though please Karen. In the podcast on the miniguide, it is mentioned that the vibrationunit will need to be replaced from time-to-time. In your experience, how often is this and is it very costly? thanks a lot and best wishes Jason----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Bailey" <karenb74@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:09 AM Subject: [gps-talkusers] e: Re: Mini GuideHi, the Miniguide is very useful, and, I have used it while standing in line to tell when people move up and how far. Karen----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:03:22 -0700 Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Mini GuideIs it actually useful? Do you think it would be valuable in realworldsettings? I'd thinking finding lines and managing distance /standing inline would be easier with a device like that.----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Slominsky" <wendyslominsky@xxxxxxxxxxx To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Mini Guideagain, go to www.senderogroup.comThere is a link for the mini guide there. It is small, aboutthe size of aMilky way bar, but it doesn't melt in your hand. It has a strapso I haveit hooked around the handle of my PK and I just grab it and turnit onwhen I want to use it. I can not describe the technologyaccurately, butit is a laser beam, I believe, that vibrates when it detects anobject. Asyou get closer the vibration is stronger and more constant. Youcan set itfor three different settings be pending on how close up you wantit to tryand detect objects. You hold it with the two round detectorsone on top ofthe other so it covers a range of something that is an up anddownobstacle such as a pole. With a thumb you can turn it on andoff and allowit to hang unused again until you might want it for somethingelse. I haveplayed with it in stores and if you move a bit slowly and put iton themost sensitive setting you can actually walk around a storewithoutwalking into anything. you just try to avoid the areas wherethere is astrong vibration. Conversely, if you are looking to findsomething youwalk closer and closer to the vibration. When you have a strongsignal youknow you are close and you can move the unit from side to sidejust a inchor so and that will target your approach very precisely. It takes about an hour or so to play with and get a feel for butafterthat it is very easy to use and takes no talent.Hi, what is a mini guide? I never heard of it. Where do you getone ofthese. Andy-----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of KarenBaileySent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:23 PM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] e: better mobility technology was Re: e:Lackof Traffic LightsHi, if anyone finds out about new mobility tech, I am always interested. Contact me if you know anything about upcoming technology. Karen and Harpo----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:59:48 -0700 Subject: [gps-talkusers] better mobility technology was Re: e:Lack of Traffic LightsThat brings up a question. Is there a good resource for findingout thelatest available in mobility technology? I'm wondering what'sout there orin the works. It just seems that there has to be a better way ofnavigatingother than swinging a pole around or putting your trust in lowermammals.(especially for more distant range finding etc) Any pointerswould beappreciated. Anyone with experience using something other than acane ordog who wishes to contact me off list as I'm sure this is offtopic wouldalso be appreciated.Thanks Scott----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Bailey" <karenb74@xxxxxxxxxxx To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] e: Lack of Traffic LightsHi this is Karen and Harpo my guidedog. I found a solution fornotfinding traffic light poles. I use the Miniguide to findtraffic lightpoles when there is no other way or point of interest. I haveused theMowat sensor in the past for the same thing. It finds thingsnototherwise obvious to a blind person and sometimes scan in frontof me forconstruction can feel how high fences are, and where, and othersuch notso obvious items like benches in parks hard to find withoutsightedassist. This may not help you, but I thought I'd mention it.Karen andHarpo----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Leslie Paul Peterson" <Les537@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:39:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [gps-talkusers] Lack of Traffic LightsMy teacher taught me GPS lessons today. My first time to learnhow to destination and route.I am disappointed because GPS does not have the traffic lightslocation.Route guide me and tell me turn 3 or 9 oclock but I can not goacross the busy streetwithout the traffic light. I MUST have the lights where I canwalk across the streets.How could I command it? Could there make a new version?Leslie---------------------------------------- GANBARE! NIPPON! Chance to win 50,000 Yahoo! 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