[gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iPhone and android
- From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco@xxxxxx>
- To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:25:55 -0700
I am not an advanced user of the Sendero products, but I have owned and
used the Trekker for several years. For me, and this is just me, I see
two issues. One is information overload. Actually, I don't want my GPS
solution to give me so much info that I am distracted from using other
mobility and orientation skills, I. e. paying attention to traffic, etc.
The other thing is, that so far, the only thing that programs like
Navigon do not do that Sendero does is the automatic announcement of
upcoming intersections. And, there are ways to get that info from
programs like Navigon, but the automatic announcement is a nice
convenience that I like. But there are other blind GPS users who do not
like, or need that feature, because for them, it is too much
information, and they are more focused on when they need to take an
action like turning, etc.
Andy
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[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 5:34 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android
I'd be curious to know what features you can't find? The only real one I
can think of is being told how many feet a place is from you, or how
many feet a street crossing is, that would be nice, but it's not really
something I miss personally.
On Jun 8, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Gideon Kibret wrote:
> I sometimes wonder if I have lost something. I have tried various GPS
> applications that have some degree of accessibility and I would
consider
> myself to be an advanced user of technology. In my experience, none of
the
> other GPS applications including Android and IPhone come anywere near
> Sendero's GPS applications on BrailleNote and windows Phones. Most of
them
> may offer a considerably cheaper option but when it comes to giving
the most
> comprehensive accessibility and usability as well as abundance of
features,
> they fall far short. To be honest, I have found some of the supposedly
> comparable GPS devices and applications not much more than very basic
or
> elementary. But I respect and appreciate that there may be many out
there
> that find them useful.
> Gideon
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2011 10:43 AM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android
>
> There are still some holes that need to be filled in with android
> accessibility, but it's very useable. Hopefully, braille support will
be
> coming, I don't use a display, so for me that's not an issue. You can
> accomplish all of the major tasks on both platforms, though the way
you do
> them is different. Remember that for the first 2 years, the iphone was
not
> even accessible. I like both platforms, but for different reasons.
> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>
>> I think that they both have their market. I think that Android is
>> perhaps better suited to a person who is somewhat geeky and
adventurous.
>> Not all of us are that way, and I think that the iPhone is a better
>> choice for someone who wants to just do stuff and not have to focus
on
>> how you do it. I think that it's easier to get up and running with
the
>> iPhone. To use a car analogy. If you want to simply drive the car,
get
>> an iPhone. If you are really into how the car works, go with
Android.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tanner,
David
>> (DEED)
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 9:51 AM
>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android
>>
>> Yes, but comparing the iPhone and Android is not a fair comparison
>> because accessibility is much more developed, and Braille support is
>> really good on the iPhone.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:20 AM
>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android
>>
>> The one thing I would like to point out is that, if you have an Apex
or
>> any modern Sense notetaker, you can use it as a braille display and
>> keyboard with an iPhone or any other iTouch. That means that you do
not
>> need to hear the speech when your surroundings are too noisy.
>> Android is not even close to such a capability; they have not touched
>> accessibility in the last three or four upgrades, as far as I know.
>>
>> On 6/8/11, john gallagher <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> hi mike hope this get through as i am doing it on my braille device.
i
>>
>>> have always thought sendero has been my best option for gps as i am
a
>>> piano tuner and totally blind. i am lucky to have the apex but now
am
>>> wondering about the android element of gps. i also have the iphone
>>> which is truly great as it is so portable my old nokia e 65 is on
its
>>> way out and though late on this thread are sendero putting the gps
on
>>> the android like the symbian verssion of their product. here in the
uk
>>
>>> i will be at sight village and hope to look at the android gps
market
>>> if sendero are there. i need portability and the iphone apex and
and
>> the android comes in to play here.
>>> cheers there.
>>>
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>>> Date: Tuesday, 7 Jun 2011 21.56.04
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android
>>>
>>> 0
>>> 0
>>> 0 I agree with you about Microsoft and Accessibility, they really
>>> dropped
>>> 0 the ball with Windows Phone 7. Fortunately, there are
alternatives.
>>> I
>>> 0 only use a mac at home now, and I use an iphone and android for
>>> 0 different things. The fact is, windows mobile 6 is a dying breed,
>>> both
>>> 0 on phones and note takers. It simply makes no sense to pay more
for
>>> 0 these note takers, when you can get a laptop for much less, and
they
>>
>>> do
>>> 0 more. For Sendero, it makes sense to expand their product on to
IOS
>>> and
>>> 0 Android. Right now, Android is the top smart phone OS in the
world.
>>> 0 Symbian was decent, but like windows mobile, it's on the way out.
>>> You
>>> 0 can still get Symbian phones, but it makes no sense to buy in to a
>>> 0 platform that is dying fast. Android and IOS are the operating
>>> systems
>>> 0 to have and use for mobile devices, at least for the next few
years
>>> probably.
>>> 0 Original message:
>>> 0 0 Yes, and had Microsoft come up with good accessibility
standards,
>> etc.
>>> 0 0 and stood by them including with their own software we would be
a
>>> lot
>>> 0 0 better off now than the never ending battle for access to
Windows
>>> that
>>> 0 0 will never end.
>>> 0
>>> 0 0 So, if a developer wants the freedom to do things their way
>>> without
>>> 0 0 following Apple's rules they can go to Android, and be a sloppy
>>> 0 0 developer and never have to worry about being told that their
work
>>
>>> is
>>> 0 0 inferior and the end user suffers as a result.
>>> 0
>>> 0 0 Apply those same principals in a business and the company would
go
>>> 0 0 under because their software developers would refuse to work
>>> together
>>> 0 0 to come up with applications that will allow the company to do
the
>>> 0 0 things they need to do.
>>> 0
>>> 0
>>> 0
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>>> 0 0 Well, that can be a risk of any operating system, the best way
to
>>> avoid
>>> 0 0 that is good old fashion common sense, granted, on IOS that's
>>> probably
>>> 0 0 not as much of a risk, but you're stuck having to do everything
>>> the way
>>> 0 0 Apple wants, don't get me wrong, I like both platforms, but for
>>> 0 0 different reasons.
>>> 0 0 On Jun 6, 2011, at 7.24 AM, Tanner, David (DEED) wrote:
>>> 0
>>> 0 0was And, of course, with Android you get the added pleasure of
all
>>> the
>>> 0 0was malware that comes along with it for free.
>>> 0
>>> 0
>>> 0
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>>> 0 0was Subject: [gps-talkusers] sendero GPS on iphone and android
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>>> 0 0was Hey everyone, was thinking a bit more about the possibility
of
>>> the full
>>> 0 0was Sendero GPS product being developed on the iphone and
Android.
>>> 0 0was Actually, I would think it would be easier on Android than
the
>>> iphone
>>> 0 0was for a couple of reasons. First, Android allows self voicing
>>> apps to be
>>> 0 0was developed much easier. On the iphone, there is no way for
>>> applications
>>> 0 0was to speak using the TTs engine that is built in to the iphone,
>>> which is
>>> 0 0was what voiceover uses. So, Sendero would need to either include
>>> their own
>>> 0 0was tts engine, which would increase cost, or rely on voiceover
to
>>> read
>>> 0 0was everything, which would not allow the app to really be used
in
>>> the
>>> 0 0was background. Also, there would be no easy way to copy maps to
>>> the
>>> 0 0was iphone, unless the entire country was included in the app the
>>> way
>>> 0 0was Navigon and TomTom work. Or, it could just download maps as
it
>>> needs
>>> 0 0was them the way the look around app does, but the TTS would
still
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>>> 0 0was major issue. On the other hand, Android would not have any of
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>>> 0 0was problems. It provides an AP
>>> 0 0 I
>>> 0 0was to create talking applications, and it works in the
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>>> devices is
>>> 0 0was easy since you can just connect the phone in mass storage
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>>> and copy
>>> 0 0was the maps to the SD card. And of course, with android, there
is
>>> no
>>> 0 0was approval process to deal with, which is why the look around
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>>> could
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