I'm moving to a different town, and I can't tell you how invaluable Sendero gps is in exploring my area and in planning routes from supermarkets, etc. to perspective houses. I bought my Apex because I like reading books in braille and also having gps was like having cream at the top of unhamogenized milk, a real bonus! Rosemary Teehan On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Tanner, David (DEED) wrote: > Well, I think one thing he is referring to is a virtual mode or sometimes > called browse mode. > > I guess sometimes a person has to make choices about what they purchase based > on whether they believe paying the premium price is worth the difference in > price. But, when it comes to a difference of over $1,000 those features had > be absolutely essential. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:34 PM > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android > > I'd be curious to know what features you can't find? The only real one I can > think of is being told how many feet a place is from you, or how many feet a > street crossing is, that would be nice, but it's not really something I miss > personally. > On Jun 8, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Gideon Kibret wrote: > >> I sometimes wonder if I have lost something. I have tried various GPS >> applications that have some degree of accessibility and I would >> consider myself to be an advanced user of technology. In my >> experience, none of the other GPS applications including Android and >> IPhone come anywere near Sendero's GPS applications on BrailleNote and >> windows Phones. Most of them may offer a considerably cheaper option >> but when it comes to giving the most comprehensive accessibility and >> usability as well as abundance of features, they fall far short. To be >> honest, I have found some of the supposedly comparable GPS devices and >> applications not much more than very basic or elementary. But I >> respect and appreciate that there may be many out there that find them >> useful. >> Gideon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo >> Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2011 10:43 AM >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android >> >> There are still some holes that need to be filled in with android >> accessibility, but it's very useable. Hopefully, braille support will >> be coming, I don't use a display, so for me that's not an issue. You >> can accomplish all of the major tasks on both platforms, though the >> way you do them is different. Remember that for the first 2 years, the >> iphone was not even accessible. I like both platforms, but for different >> reasons. >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote: >> >>> I think that they both have their market. I think that Android is >>> perhaps better suited to a person who is somewhat geeky and adventurous. >>> Not all of us are that way, and I think that the iPhone is a better >>> choice for someone who wants to just do stuff and not have to focus >>> on how you do it. I think that it's easier to get up and running >>> with the iPhone. To use a car analogy. If you want to simply drive >>> the car, get an iPhone. If you are really into how the car works, go with >>> Android. >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tanner, >>> David >>> (DEED) >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 9:51 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android >>> >>> Yes, but comparing the iPhone and Android is not a fair comparison >>> because accessibility is much more developed, and Braille support is >>> really good on the iPhone. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:20 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android >>> >>> The one thing I would like to point out is that, if you have an Apex >>> or any modern Sense notetaker, you can use it as a braille display >>> and keyboard with an iPhone or any other iTouch. That means that you >>> do not need to hear the speech when your surroundings are too noisy. >>> Android is not even close to such a capability; they have not touched >>> accessibility in the last three or four upgrades, as far as I know. >>> >>> On 6/8/11, john gallagher <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> hi mike hope this get through as i am doing it on my braille device. >>>> i >>> >>>> have always thought sendero has been my best option for gps as i am >>>> a piano tuner and totally blind. i am lucky to have the apex but now >>>> am wondering about the android element of gps. i also have the >>>> iphone which is truly great as it is so portable my old nokia e 65 >>>> is on its way out and though late on this thread are sendero putting >>>> the gps on the android like the symbian verssion of their product. >>>> here in the uk >>> >>>> i will be at sight village and hope to look at the android gps >>>> market if sendero are there. i need portability and the iphone apex >>>> and and >>> the android comes in to play here. >>>> cheers there. >>>> >>>> Ing----comIng Original Message Ing----comIng >>>> From: Mike Arrigo Ing"nforoxythecharterddnet0Ing >>>> To: Inggps-talkusersthefreelistsddorgIng >>>> Date: Tuesday, 7 Jun 2011 21.56.04 >>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android >>>> >>>> 0 >>>> 0 >>>> 0 I agree with you about Microsoft and Accessibility, they really >>>> dropped >>>> 0 the ball with Windows Phone 7. Fortunately, there are alternatives. >>>> I >>>> 0 only use a mac at home now, and I use an iphone and android for >>>> 0 different things. The fact is, windows mobile 6 is a dying breed, >>>> both >>>> 0 on phones and note takers. It simply makes no sense to pay more >>>> for >>>> 0 these note takers, when you can get a laptop for much less, and >>>> they >>> >>>> do >>>> 0 more. For Sendero, it makes sense to expand their product on to >>>> IOS and >>>> 0 Android. Right now, Android is the top smart phone OS in the world. >>>> 0 Symbian was decent, but like windows mobile, it's on the way out. >>>> You >>>> 0 can still get Symbian phones, but it makes no sense to buy in to a >>>> 0 platform that is dying fast. Android and IOS are the operating >>>> systems >>>> 0 to have and use for mobile devices, at least for the next few >>>> years probably. >>>> 0 Original message: >>>> 0 0 Yes, and had Microsoft come up with good accessibility >>>> standards, >>> etc. >>>> 0 0 and stood by them including with their own software we would be >>>> a lot >>>> 0 0 better off now than the never ending battle for access to >>>> Windows that >>>> 0 0 will never end. >>>> 0 >>>> 0 0 So, if a developer wants the freedom to do things their way >>>> without >>>> 0 0 following Apple's rules they can go to Android, and be a sloppy >>>> 0 0 developer and never have to worry about being told that their >>>> work >>> >>>> is >>>> 0 0 inferior and the end user suffers as a result. >>>> 0 >>>> 0 0 Apply those same principals in a business and the company would >>>> go >>>> 0 0 under because their software developers would refuse to work >>>> together >>>> 0 0 to come up with applications that will allow the company to do >>>> the >>>> 0 0 things they need to do. >>>> 0 >>>> 0 >>>> 0 >>>> 0 >>>> 0 0 Ing----comIngOriginal MessageIng----comIng >>>> 0 0 From: Inggps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgIng >>>> 0 0 Ingofmailtoccgps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgwithIng On >>>> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo >>>> 0 0 Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6.26 PM >>>> 0 0 To: Inggps-talkusersthefreelistsddorgIng >>>> 0 0 Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android >>>> 0 >>>> 0 0 Well, that can be a risk of any operating system, the best way >>>> to avoid >>>> 0 0 that is good old fashion common sense, granted, on IOS that's >>>> probably >>>> 0 0 not as much of a risk, but you're stuck having to do everything >>>> the way >>>> 0 0 Apple wants, don't get me wrong, I like both platforms, but for >>>> 0 0 different reasons. >>>> 0 0 On Jun 6, 2011, at 7.24 AM, Tanner, David (DEED) wrote: >>>> 0 >>>> 0 0was And, of course, with Android you get the added pleasure of >>>> all the >>>> 0 0was malware that comes along with it for free. >>>> 0 >>>> 0 >>>> 0 >>>> 0 >>>> 0 0was Ing----comIngOriginal MessageIng----comIng >>>> 0 0was From: Inggps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgIng >>>> 0 0was Ingofmailtoccgps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgwithIng On >>>> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo >>>> 0 0was Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 6.55 PM >>>> 0 0was To: Inggps-talkusersthefreelistsddorgIng >>>> 0 0was Subject: [gps-talkusers] sendero GPS on iphone and android >>>> 0 >>>> 0 0was Hey everyone, was thinking a bit more about the possibility >>>> of the full >>>> 0 0was Sendero GPS product being developed on the iphone and Android. >>>> 0 0was Actually, I would think it would be easier on Android than >>>> the iphone >>>> 0 0was for a couple of reasons. First, Android allows self voicing >>>> apps to be >>>> 0 0was developed much easier. On the iphone, there is no way for >>>> applications >>>> 0 0was to speak using the TTs engine that is built in to the iphone, >>>> which is >>>> 0 0was what voiceover uses. So, Sendero would need to either include >>>> their own >>>> 0 0was tts engine, which would increase cost, or rely on voiceover >>>> to read >>>> 0 0was everything, which would not allow the app to really be used >>>> in the >>>> 0 0was background. Also, there would be no easy way to copy maps to >>>> the >>>> 0 0was iphone, unless the entire country was included in the app the >>>> way >>>> 0 0was Navigon and TomTom work. Or, it could just download maps as >>>> it needs >>>> 0 0was them the way the look around app does, but the TTS would >>>> still be a >>>> 0 0was major issue. On the other hand, Android would not have any of >>>> these >>>> 0 0was problems. It provides an AP >>>> 0 0 I >>>> 0 0was to create talking applications, and it works in the >>>> background, the >>>> 0 0was way Google navigation does. Also, copying maps to Android >>>> devices is >>>> 0 0was easy since you can just connect the phone in mass storage >>>> mode and copy >>>> 0 0was the maps to the SD card. And of course, with android, there >>>> is no >>>> 0 0was approval process to deal with, which is why the look around >>>> app >>> >>>> could >>>> 0 0was be updated so fast. 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