[jawsscripts] Re: Wiki-izing JAWSScripts
- From: "E.J. Zufelt" <everett@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:58:05 -0400
Good morning Geoff,
Thanks for the warning (grin).
A Wiki is exactly like Wikipedia. As a matter of fact I am using the same
Wiki platform that is used for Wikipedia. And, you are correct, the major
benefit is that the information about a single topic is all in one spot for
anyone to read or edit.
Now, you might think that allowing anyone to edit a page on your site is
crazy. But, it has been shown time and time again that vandalism is really
not to big of a problem for most Wikis.
The biggest benefit of a wiki is community contribution. I don't plan on
contributing even 10% of the content to JAWSWiki. If I have to contribute
that much then the project will have not been successful:
1. Because I couldn't find more than 9 other people as interested as myself,
and,
2. Because I am not planning on putting in very much time after the initial
kickstart to the community.
Wikis work because they are communities that people take pride in. Maybe
there will be a handful of people hat are intersted in making lists of
inaccessible applications, and maybe a handful interested in explaining
scripting tricks. All working together we will get an amazing collection of
information that is easy to search, read, and modify.
HTH,
Everett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:48 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Wiki-izing JAWSScripts
> well, from what I'm hearing,
> it sounds like a pretty cool idea to me too everett. only, ... welll, ...,
> I've got another embarrassing/redFaced post coming up today so I may's
> well
> go the whole hog as a total idiot,
> and publicly ask,
> what, is, exactly, a Wiki!" Why, is it called a wiki, and, how is it
> easier
> to utilize than web Forum thinggys,? or google-searchable archives?
> For I reckon that , like Doug, I find the mailing list for day to day just
> piling through stuff, a very handy resource. but if it can help people to
> locate information on topics better, then that certainly sounds kinda
> useful. I'm wondering how it would fair differently, though, than, say,
> using google to search archives of posts on topics of interest?
>
> It must be different I realize that, else the methodology wouldn't have
> been
> invented. But I for one am at present a little fogged and still quite
> green
> as to it's benefits and merrits. is there a magic article you could
> perhaps
> point us to, that might explain these?
> if you haven't already and I've forgotten?
> which is quite possible.
> <smile.>
> is it kinda like what I've heard wikipedia speak of itself as, where
> people
> can submit small additional edits to a single article covering the thread
> topic or whatever?
> such that all the input to a thread,ends up in one article, rather than
> lots
> of little posts with the other person's replies at their bottoms, and
> things?
> and someone presumably checks it for accuracy or something? which sounds
> rather time consuming? ... hmmm.
>
> as you see, I don't get out much, even virtually! <grin.>
>
> My other concern with it though,
> would be to exhort you to
> just take some care not to, "Knock yourself out," as the americans used to
> say once upon a time when the earth was green, - well greener, <grin,>
> in that I know these projects, when taken on, can reeeeeally just start to
> take over one's life to try and get right, and running optimally. So I do
> hope you have a well trained builtin "off"/balance button in your head,
> that permits you to get some of your other important work and life bits
> done.
> and, I'd just exhort you not to start letting the internal perceptions of
> expectations you, "feel," might begin to ramp up on you from your
> community,
> or which in regretable reality people might actually
> begin to consciously or unconsciously start putting on you,
> turn the whole deal it into a horrid chore that saps all your energy etc.
> I'ts all too easy in this life I reckon, for us on the sidelines to go,
> "rah
> rah! Go hard," and other such expressions of encouragement towards the
> other
> blokes continued pain! when we're not the ones feelin it. if you get my
> drift. oh boy, talk about all the hippy expressions comin out today!
> ahem,
> I'm showing my age again. <groan.>
>
> best stop.
>
> Geoff c.
>
>
> <chinyoka.consultant@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:45 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Wiki-izing JAWSScripts
>
>
>> That's great! In fact, the idea seems to be progressive:
>>
>> * Consider that around the web, you come across compiled frequently
>> asked questions on various programming languages such as C/C++, XML,
>> Visual Basic, Python etc. All these serve to minimnize repetitions and
>> direct the reader to a specific topic without flooding listers'
>> inboxes with questions that were once-upon-a-time discussed.
>>
>> My only suggestion is that
>> whoever is in charge of this mailing list should either help newbies
>> get to this wiki or FAQ collection. For instance, the Python mailing
>> list sends any new subscriber a link not only to its frequently asked
>> questions, but even to an article written by Raymond on beginning to
>> program. So in the same spirit, any new subscriber to the JAWScripts
>> mailing list may get a welcome letter which serves as an introductory
>> message with the link to the Wiki.
>>
>> Another alternative is that at the end of the message, any interested
>> reader may be directed to the wiki page. This is what the guys on the
>> NVDA mailing list do: they provide extra details at the end of each
>> post so that anyone interested in further info may click certain links
>> on the web.
>>
>> Personally, I do not think it is a waste of time. Yes a lot of
>> patience to sift through various threads to get relevant info is
>> required, but it is worth the effort once every subject matter is
>> sorted out. Without being flattery, I think this is one of the lists
>> where posters do not often go off-topic. Most threads may still be in
>> tune. Perhaps the problem could be of following thread questions to
>> get satisfactory answers.
>>
>> As for the time, for a beginning, October is certainly realistic. Of
>> course, with the help and contribution of everyone on this list,
>> listers can trace threads to even a year from now.
>>
>> This is going to profit not only newbies to Jaws scripting, but
>> seasoned developers as well: there are challenges we are having as
>> Jaws scripters as regards literature. Besides the ample stuff from
>> Freedom Scientific and a few tutorials here and there on Jaws
>> scripting, Jaws scripting has few books. this will play an important
>> role in filling in the gap of information as far as scripting for Jaws
>> is concerned. In fact, this mailing list gonna be one of the relevant
>> on talking of latest developments without repetitions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> On 12/2/08, E.J. Zufelt <everett@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Good evening,
>> >
>> > As if I don't have enough to do...
>> >
>> > I have decided to start "wiki-izing" the JAWSScripts mailing list
> archive.
>> > My hope is that once I start a wiki and do some initial work others
> might
>> > genourously contribute some of their time to assist in the task of
> taking
>> > knowledge built up in the mailing list archive and moving it to the
> wiki.
>> >
>> > I think the best way to do this is to create categories for frequently
>> > discussed subjects and then add to the wiki articles about the
>> > subjects.
>> >
>> > My methodology will be to take new posts and to follow the thread to
> find
>> > out if individual questions end up with useful answers. I will be
> starting
>> > with October 2008.
>> >
>> > If anyone is interested in assisting with this project or has any ideas
> to
>> > help, or thinks it's a stupid idea that's a waste of my time, please
>> > let
> me
>> > know.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > Everett
>> >
>> >
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