[jawsscripts] Re: hairy problem on a project, re differing coordinates yielded in terminal emulation installations

From: "Bill Dennis" <billiam904@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:32:19 -0500
now, Jimbo, why on earth would you ever stuff cabbage into your computer? 
Jaws is hungry for RAM not vegetables, my old friend... <wink>
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Panes" <jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: hairy problem on a project, re differing 
coordinates yielded in terminal emulation installations


> The tomatoes aren't so bad. It's the rotten cabbages that really hurt.
>
> :)
>
> James
>
> jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx
> jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> "Everything is easy when you know how."
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:05 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: hairy problem on a project, re differing
> coordinates yielded in terminal emulation installations
>
>
> ah, Mighty mighty scripters!
>
> ... well, here we all are on a sunny day in june, ... well, it might be
> June, if we extend our imaginations just a squeebe.
>
> but, ..., well ok, to get to my procrastinatory topic.
>
> Firstly I wanna say a big huuuuuge thank you to Mike, Tim, James Andrew, 
> and
> others who sent me back very helpful suggestions for my hairy terminal
> emulation window display coordinate anomaly problem.  plus, very usefully,
> some further scripting ideas which if I can absorb and understand them 
> with
> a tad more study and experience, might help me to make my code more robust
> across a wider range of screen environs.
>
> well, the end of the story is,
> You'll all be very pleased I'm sure,
> to know, and share my joy to hear, that today, the probloem has been
> resolved!
> well, To within one pixel of the other system, which I'm relatively sure 
> my
> scripts should cope with.
> But, ok, here it comes, you'll never guess how stupid this one ended up
> being! hours and hours of not only my own but more importantly other
> people's, including yourselves, valuable  time trying to nut down and hunt
> endlessly around for, you won't believe this, what turned out to be the 
> most
> simplest and most obvious of issues,
> that I feel quite ashamed and embarrassed to have to admit I never thought
> of remembering to check!
> you wanna know what it all was? one, count them, 1, single generic setting
> in windows display settings in control pannel. under the appearance tab. a
> lovely little setting called "windows and buttons." and instead of it 
> being
> set to classic, like it apparently was on the machine that I built the
> functioning system on, it had been set to xp.
> So! one up arrow and one enter press later? caboo'oo'oo'oo'oom!
> all fixed!
>
> isn't that just, ... well words fail me!  I'm sure they won't be failing 
> you
> though, so I'll just take a quick duck out of the way before the rotten
> tomatoes start plopping into my hair.
> <grin.>
>
> Thanks as always for all the useful extra ideas I've now extracted from 
> you
> all kind people about constants, offsets, and absolutes.
> hmmm, after that little effort, Maybe I should go back to music!
>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:20 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: hairy problem on a project, re differing
> coordinates yielded in terminal emulation installations
>
>
>> Had a similar situation more than once. The font could definitely throw
>> your coordinates off. Have you checked options in the Client Access
>> configuration files like toolbar size, cursor type and rule-line? If you
>> don't already have it, you might find useful information in IBM Client
>> Access.pdf. There's a copy at:
>>
>> http://home.centurytel.net/Bigfork/IBMClientAccess.pdf
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Geoff Chapman wrote:
>> > ah Mighty scripters.
>> > ok, I've got a really hairy one that I'm very desirous of any 
>> > assistance
> with, that anyone might be able to give me. although it's not directly
> scripting related, but it kinda is.
>> >
>> > The explanation is a tad lengthy, but I wanna try and be as thorough as
> I can, and present you with as much information that I can into the 
> problem,
> so as to hopefully minimize people having to ask if I've checked this or
> that etc.
>> > so, ... if you could bear with me to read through it?
>> >
>> > Last year with the so kind and considerate help and fantastic knowledge
> of people on this list,
>> > and serious input from another guy who isn't on this list,
>> > I was able to complete scripting up a system for pizza hutt call centre
> order takers, such that a blind person could work in their call center and
> do the job of filling out all the necessary details
>> > on the various screens to take orders, confirm addresses, store
> opening/closing times where applicable, confirm pricing for products, read
> back the pizzas to the customer in human language rather than code, type 
> any
> special instructions, etc.
>> > now apparently Sighted Order takers have only "dumb terminals,"
> connected to what I believe is called an A S 400 server? if I have the
> terminology right.
>> >
>> > But in order to give jaws a chance at the thing, of course it needed to
> be opperable in a windows environment.
>> >
>> > So, pizza hutt installed on a windows box,
>> > what seems to be being referred to as a 5250 terminal emulation 
>> > software
> called IBM client access express, version 5.0, as indicated in the about
> box, and was thus able to connect to the as400 server using this setup,
> causing the main ordering terminal window to occur in this environment.
>> >
>> >
>> > So last year, I was able to complete this system on that Pc and the
> Blind ordertaker has been happily employed and using it for a year.
>> > That pc was a generically built one from a shop I trust that I've been
> using for many years, with reputable components etc.
>> > But it wasn't a branded one.
>> >
>> > Now they wish me to make efficiently accessible, what they call the
> advanced CSR functions, and they've given me a newish
>> > pc, this time a branded hp one, (hardware specs detailed at the end,)
>> > again loaded with the same version of the IBM client access express
> terminal emulation software, that was put on the original pc.
>> >
>> > ok now here's the problem.
>> > on the NEW development PC, there's a few serious display rendering
> anomalies, that are simply causing the system I previously built, not to
> function at all on this new PC. and I obviously simply must find out why,
> and how I might fix it, before I can begin to start coding up anything 
> else.
>> > Because, wisely or unwisely, pretty much everything I've done in the
> scripting code of the system I built,
>> > in being able to glance at, and handle the autoLoading of new frameSets
> into memory to cope with speaking right frame/field  labels for differing
> screens, has all been done pretty carefully using absolute pixel 
> coordinate
> functions. like GetTextInRect()
>> > etc, Which I found to be the most reliable method for both triggering
> and often also glancing at/gathering data for display in virtulal viewer
> upon double Click of the keystroke, for easier review etc.
>> > I.e. this GetTextInRect function isn't robust in the sense that it
> didn't use either application window, or current window relative boarders,
> but absolute ones. Even though some of the functionality I used, did use
> frames, which presumably would've at least been application window boarder
> relative.
>> >
>> > There are a couple of issues, and I'll take the major one first.
>> > But they're all display coordinate related.
>> >
>> > 1. the X/Y coordinate of the top left hand corner, of the actual
> terminal window itself, is sitting approximately 28 pixels lower in 
> absolute
> terms relative to the top of the screen on my new pc, than it sits on the
> prior one.
>> > The x coordinate however, is identical on both pc's.
>> >
>> > This is my primary problem.
>> >
>> > 2. The TitleBar, Menu Bar and Graphic Toolbar of the actual IBM client
> access express 5250 program,
>> > which lie above this main terminal window, are also not sitting in
> identical spots re their absolute Y coordinates, but, for example they're
> only off by a margin of 3, 7 and 8 pixels, in case of the TitleBar, 
> menuBar
> and ToolBar respectively.
>> > I.e. with the old PC that's working, the TitleBar is sitting at an
> absolute Y coord of 13, whereas the old Pc, it's sitting at a Y coord of 
> 10.
>> > The menu bar sits at a y coord of 29, whereas the new pc they've given
> me to use now, menu bar sits at a y coord of 36.
>> > The ToolBar below this, starts on the old working pc, at y Coord 54,
> whereas the new one it starts at an absolute y Coord of 62.
>> >
>> > But, as I say, the top left corner of the emulation window itself, on
> the old working pc, starts at an absolute y coord of 82, whereas on the 
> New
> pc, it's found at an absolute Y Coord of 110.
>> > So this to me means there's some anomaly between the bottom of the
> toolBar, and the top of where the terminal window itself starts, which 
> I've
> gotta try and get to the bottom of, and eliminate.
>> >
>> > All the specs related to the toolBar I can think to check, via right
> clicking on it and going into toolBar styles, are the same on both pc's.
>> > Jaws reports The graphics as 18 by 16 on both PC's, when the "show text
> on toolBar" option is unchecked.
>> >
>> > 3. on the old PC, jaws reports the font inside the main terminal screen
> itself, as IBM 3270 19 point, whereas on the New Pc, it's reporting as IBM
> 3270 18 point.
>> > This effectively means, that each line turns out to be 26 pixels in
> height on the old working pc, and only 24 pixels in height, on the new 
> one.
> which of course means that as one progresses vertically down the screen,
>> > the absolute coordinates are going to get further and further at
> variance between the two systems, and things will thus break by degrees
> depending on which part of the screen we are relying on things being at
> identical absolute coordinates relative to the top lefthand corner.
>> >
>> > Of course both app windows have been checked for maximization.
>> > every other view and toolBar styles related issue I can think of to
> check, has been checked on both pc's, and appear identical.
>> >
>> > We've of course checked Screen Resolution and color bit Depth on both
> PC's, and they report identical. Both have windows xp professional service
> Pack 2 installed on them.
>> >
>> > the old pc is a generically built one as I say, but has a separate
> NVidia Display adaptor  in it model Geforce 7300GS, (with either 128 or 
> 256
> meg ram, I can't quite remember which,)
>> > 3.0ghz Single core CPU, 1 gig system Ram.
>> >
>> > The new Pc is
>> > an hp3530, with only 512 meg system ram, and a 2.8GHZ CPU, using if
> memory serves, an onboard intel extreme graphics adaptor, I think the 865G
> chipset? don't quote me on that last spec though as I haven't written that
> down?
>> >
>> > any clues anyone might throw at me to solve this one would be ever so
> greatfully recieved.
>> >
>> > thanks.
>> >
>> > geoff c.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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- [jawsscripts] Re: hairy problem on a project, re differing coordinates yielded in terminal emulation installations
  - From: Geoff Chapman
- [jawsscripts] Re: hairy problem on a project, re differing coordinates yielded in terminal emulation installations
  - From: James Panes
[jawsscripts] Re: hairy problem on a project, re differing coordinates yielded in terminal emulation installations

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