Some of the stations are sending bands on each side of the SD, while others are using the whole area (this makes for a constant need to adjust aspect ratio). So clearly not all the bits are used for picture, although the black bars cannot take too many bits. Others have multiple feeds. All have some HD programming, so I don't think they are encoding an analog STL. Any way to find out their bit rate without special equipment? Dan Grimes Doug McDonald <mcdonald@xxxxxxx To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx c.edu> cc: Sent by: Subject: [opendtv] Re: ATSC-SD vs. NTSC opendtv-bounce@fr eelists.org 10/27/2005 10:44 AM Please respond to opendtv dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx wrote: > > Now on the HD side, while similar problems are seen, at least the added > detail help improve the picture over NTSC. But I don't understand why > digital SD does not look better. Because the providers are: 1) using bad encoders AND/OR 2) having their encoders set wrong AND/OR 3) using less than say 6 Mb/sec AND/OR 4) running a crappy analog feed into the encoders You might not realize that some folks have digital plants, then send an analog NTSC over their STLs, and then encode a low-grade monitor NTSC output for their digital channel. We have a local station that transmits two SD pictures on their digital channel (CBS and UPN) and both look just fine. Of course, they are having cable providers use those feeds instead of their Ch. 3 analog, so they care. Doug McDonald ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- -- Type: image/gif -- File: graycol.gif -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- -- Type: image/gif -- File: ecblank.gif -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- -- Type: image/gif -- File: pic14955.gif ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.