At 1:45 AM -0700 5/16/06, Ron Economos wrote: >Except that the reality of current cable STB's >is that they all have ethernet and USB ports, >yet none of these interfaces are actually enabled >by cable providers. > >BTW, I'm the designer (along with my JVC cohorts) >of the 1394 interface for the HM-DH40000U, >HM-DH5U and HM-DT100 D-VHS decks. > You're not going to make any progress with this discussion Ron. Kilroy is simply parroting the MS company line with respect to Firewire. They never liked it, never will. Most of the FUD about 1394 as a display interconnect came out of Redmond. !394 was never intended as a display interconnect, nor was it designed for the transport of uncompressed bitstreams, although it can do this with SD video in a pinch. The whole idea behind 1394 with HDCP was as a device interconnect for compressed isochronous streams. in a more perfect world, you could use the 1394 port on that cable box to add more hard drives to increase the total storage capacity of the system. But this would also mean that you could take digital content from the cable moguls and put it on a hard drive that you could connect to any other machine and play. Once again we are getting hung up on what is possible in a technical sense, versus what is ALLOWED in the REAL techno-political world. 1394 with DTCP was supposed to be the political solution that would allow us to share media across an in-home network. DTCP provides the content management layer to support handshaking between devices and the keys that would make sharing content practical in the home, and profitable for the members of the DTCP royalty pool. It is ironic that Kilroy points out that 1394 has been a success as a professional interconnect for digital camcorders and the world of professional digital media content authoring; a world that Microsoft does not dominate. In that world you can buy a wide range of devices from a wide range of vendors, plug them together and do your job. This is what SHOULD be expected in the digital world we are trying to create. There are no political barriers to raising the bar; thus we have seen the growth of digital media authoring platforms for SD to HD, and the ability to output your content in whatever format/codec you want/need. Even Sony and Avid have been forced to open up their systems and codecs, due to the reality that this involves nothing more than some simple blocks of plug-in code that can be used across the diverse devices that are used to author content today. Unfortunately, the same capabilities do not exist for digital media consumers today. Rather than a vibrant marketplace where you can buy components from any vendor and plug them together to create your in-home digital media entertainment configuration, we have a world filled with roadblocks, and connectors on the backs of boxes that simply do nothing, because the companies that reluctantly put those connectors on the boxes will not enable them. The CE guys keep building components that only work together if you buy everything from them. Microsoft keeps designing Media Centers that support only the "Open Technologies" they wish to support, and only then with layers of Microsoft proprietary code to keep you inside THEIR walled garden. By the way, although I appreciate the way the products i buy from Apple work together, they are no better than Microsoft in terms of being "open." As I told Bert when I first responded to this thread, we are not discussion technical issues here. We are talking about a handful of oligopolists trying desperately to hold onto archaic business models that would already have been blown away, were it not for their ability to impede technical innovation while seeking protection from the politicians, who are cannibalizing our constitutional rights with respect to its original intent to proliferate intellectual property to the masses. And the beat goes on and on and on... Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.