[opendtv] Re: News: CEA FORECASTS CONSUMER ELECTRONICS REVENUE

  • From: Craig Birkmaier <craig@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:51:20 -0500

At 2:45 PM -0500 1/14/07, Albert Manfredi wrote:

So Craig, is 20 MHz better or worse than 3.8 MHz?

That depends on the overall quality of the delivered HDTV images. If the encoder is starved for bits, it may pass real information at 20 MHz when the entropy in the image is very low, but when the entropy increases, the image may have highly visible compression artifacts.

That being said, I would still suggest looking at a decoded ATSV HDTV transmission to determine what the actual frequency response of delivered source. My educated guess is that you wil not see much image detail in the 15-20 MHz range, but you will see plenty of quantization noise.


And in the UK PAL system, the equivalent "typical" max bandwidth is probably what? Less than 5 MHz? Same question.

This is getting ridiculous. Obviously HDTV has more image detail than NTSC or PAL. There are different trade-offs in analog versus digital transmissions. The whole point of this thread was to try to convince you that just because the source may have a specification that says you can go out to 30 MHz does not mean that the source actually does that. Ditto for displays. But more important, the NATURE of digital compression and channel loss errors for ATSC HDTV assures that you will not get anything close to the image detail in the original "uncompressed" source.

I say uncompressed source with reservations as well. Most of the commercial HDTV acquisition systems use compression, which removes most of the detail above 20MHz. AND THEN the finished program must go through MPEG-2 compression that further reduced the level of detail.

Regards
Craig


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