Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >Bob Miller wrote: > > > >>And if COFDM had been allowed in 2000 those same retailers >>would be incentivized by companies like USDTV to offer >>their services with FREE OTA receivers. There would be a >>number of such companies and most retailers would be more >>than happy to make money with OTA just as they are with >>cable and satellite. >> >> > >And exactly why isn't this fairy tale scenario happening with >good latest generation ATSC receivers, then? > >If products can only be sold by means of kickbacks or >(essentially) bribes, what makes DVB-T any more amenable to >such marketing techniques? > >Bert > > What latest "good" generation of ATSC receivers? I can't get any even after more than a year of trying. I can get a PCI card that then has to be put in a computer. Too expensive so far. There is no mobile or portable which was a big part of our plans. LG changed their minds about making the prototype that we really wanted and are no help in getting anyone elses STB using the 5th gen chip to work as well. I have one contact that was going to make an STB with the 5th gen chip but they dropped out. They now tell me one of their customers might be induced to make such a receiver for us. It again would not be up to the prototype we tested. There is now talk of another Korean company that would have a good solution but that solution is at least 2 years away. You know you talk about all these lab and field test and call my search for a receiver a "profession of faith". I suggest that what you are doing is more a profession of faith. We are the true test. We WANT to have a business and all we ask is a receiver that works. Lab test are fine but a simple test in Mark Schubin's apartment and a few other locations does a lot more for me. It simply works or it doesn't. And I am NOT rooting for it to NOT work. Ask Mark Schubin. When I am in his apartment I all but kneel on the floor and beg him to agree with me that the damn things work better than the last one. I am the retailer, the customer. In trying to pull together a business plan that will survive I have to see things as my customer sees them, the retailer, the investor. I have to take into account whether we will need a lot of truck runs to customers homes to fix things. What percentage of off the shelf sales at a retailer will stick. The cost of receivers is more than the box itself. Or even the installation of an antenna. 8-VSB has failed miserably all of these test right from the beginning. It fails all test that I can imagine. And I am trying!!!! Everytime I here of some new hope I am on the phone looking into it. Not trying to debunk it. And then to read your post is just too much. You must live in a parallel and very strange universe. Stop looking at the lab test. Start looking at the markets. The real world. It is not just that retailers want to make a buck on cable or satellite. It is that they want to avoid hassles and 8-VSB is a hassle. I guarantee that if we had COFDM modulation in the US retailers would be happily selling loads of OTA receivers because it would help them to sell HD sets. It would help them a lot. I would submit that they would have all their DTV sets tuned to OTA channels all day long. As I have said before if you are confused now by the lack of interest for OTA receivers in the US it will only get worse. And all the while success overseas with OTA COFDM systems, HD and SD, will continue to mount to some kind of crescendo that finally may let you see the light. Bob Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.