[vicsireland] Re: Apple Lion Operating System!
- From: maree grogan <mareegrogan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:31:38 +0100 (BST)
HI Stuart,
I can understand NCB's position, I was just making the point that that is why I
think a meeting of VICS apple users would be very useful, in view of the fact
that NCBI don't supply the Macs.
Thanks,.
Maree
--- On Thu, 23/6/11, Dónal Fitzpatrick <dfitzpat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Dónal Fitzpatrick <dfitzpat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Apple Lion Operating System!
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, 23 June, 2011, 8:26
In fairness to Stuart and NCBI, I think this is a totally reasonable decision.
NCBI, in my view anyway, shouldn't actually be selling any computers whether
apple, Dell, Toshiba etc. Sure they can (and are willing to) give advice on
how well such-and-such a brand works with, say NVDA or Jaws etc. Apple
computers come with the screenreader preinstalled; as do all i-devices.
Therefore, there is no financial or other advantage to be gained by NCBI
selling Apple computers.
Dónal
On 23 Jun 2011, at 08:26, Stuart Lawler wrote:
> Hi Maree,
>
> We have made a conscious decision at NCBI not to sell apple products, not
> because we don't' believe in them or see their value, but because we feel
> that they are easily acquired elsewhere, for example, on line, or in apple
> stores or retail outlets etc. The RNIB in the UK have taken a similar view.
>
> We are however extremely interested in assisting where we can in the
> provision of training, and indeed many of us in NCBI are already using
> iPhones and apple computers.
>
> The most obvious collaboration here would be with the many very knowledgeable
> people on this list, who have lots of expertise in the area, and we will work
> towards this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Stuart.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of maree grogan
> Sent: 22 June 2011 09:38
> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Apple Lion Operating System!
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> Hi all
>
> The thing is as well that NCBI dont supply Mac's so they dont give training
> in the Voice Over as with Supernova and Jaws, but at least there is the VICS
> forum, thanks for you help again!
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>
> Maree
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> --- On Wed, 22/6/11, Eamonn X. O'Connor <EXOConnor@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> From: Eamonn X. O'Connor <EXOConnor@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Apple Lion Operating System!
> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, 22 June, 2011, 9:28
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> Hi folks,
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> I'd agree that some structured training on the Mac and IOS4 devices would
> be very helpful.
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> I'm using a Mac Mini running Snow leopard, andd Windows XP under
> Bootcamp.
> Of course, old habits die hard, and so i find myself resorting most
> frequently to Windows - shame on me!
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> I really need to get to know my Mac better.
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> It's a wonder that none of the VECs are running basic Mac courses.
>
> Regards,
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> Eamonn
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> Hi Maria,
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> Along with Donals advice, you can also use the keyboard help of "Control,
> Option+ Letter K" to invoke keyboard help. When you start keyboard help
> using the keys I described, just press any combination of keys and voice
> over will tell you what a particular combination of keys does. When
> finished
> using keyboard help, press the "Escape key" to exit out of it. If you
> don't
> exit out of keyboard help then you will not be able to perform any useful
> function on the operating system.
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> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Apple Lion Operating System!
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> Hi Marie,
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> What voiceover commands are you having difficulty with? The most useful
> command is to hold down the voiceover keys and press h twice. Every
> single
> commmand is contained in a menu structure.
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> Feel free to post questions here though, plenty of us use macs and are
> only
> too delighted to respond and show these boring windows users what a real
> computer and screenreader can do! :-)
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> Cheers
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> Dónal
> On 21 Jun 2011, at 09:48, maree grogan wrote:
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> > --- On Sat, 11/6/11, kerie doyle <kerie.doyle1987@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://uk.mc278.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kerie.doyle1987@xxxxxxxxx> >
> wrote:
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> > Hi All,
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> > Do you think it would be possible in the future if training days are
> > being held by Vics to organise some training on this for Apple Mac
> > Users or potential Apple Mac Users. We have been looking into it, and
> > there are a lot of Voice Over commands etc, and its a bit challenging
> > to figure it out,
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> > Thanks,
> >
> > Maree
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> > From: kerie doyle <kerie.doyle1987@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://uk.mc278.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kerie.doyle1987@xxxxxxxxx> >
> > Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Apple Lion Operating System!
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> > Date: Saturday, 11 June, 2011, 18:00
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> > Hi Paul and Donal
> > Donal it's cool your an apple developer, and paul, thanks for posting
> > that link i'm so excited for lion now.
> > Is anyone else concerned that they're not going to be selling lion on
> > disc or thumb drive? i mean, what if you need to reinstall for some
> > reason?
> > Just my thoughts Sent from my iPhone
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> > On 10/06/2011, at 10:19 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick
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> >> Hi Paul,
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> >> I'm in the Apple developer programme and I've seen and played with a
> beta
> version. I'm sorry but part of the developer programme's t&cs is a
> non-disclosure agreement so I can't actually discuss the finer
> points. It
> is nice though. There are still bugs to be ironed out but on the whole,
> leaves windows for dead. But then, most things do.
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> >> Best,
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> >> Dónal
> >> On 10 Jun 2011, at 21:40, (Lists) Paul Traynor wrote:
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> >>> Hi All,
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> >>> The new Apple Lion operating system looks set to be something else.
> >>> Here's the link:
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