[access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
- From: "Andy Collins" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 15:09:11 -0000
George - I think those us interested in buying from the US, just want the
software, as it's about £300 cheaper. It appears however that each state has
it's own dealer, and therefore is unlikely they will sell overseas.
What I can't find out is how the software will be licence to prevent piracy.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
|I suppose you could try, but with something of that value, I
| sure as heck would want to make sure that it was fully
| insured. Of course by doing that, it would have to have a
| full value commercial shipping invoice with it, and so sure
| as eggs are eggs, it would get snagged by Customs.
|
| Even if it was marked as "Articles for the Bind", you would
| then need to deal with Customs to explain why. And at the
| very least, there's a 99% chance you would have to pay Duty
| & VAT on the telephone itself.
|
| Additionally, you may find as I do, that in addition to the
| shipping cost, you have to pay Airline Handling and Customs
| Clearance, likely to be around £25 each for those two items
| alone.
|
| There's an interesting article from the Guardian at:-
| http://tinyurl.com/3e4d8y
| which warns people about the hidden costs of importing good
| purchased from abroad.
|
| George.
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sunil
| Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:43 PM
| To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
|
| Are there any restrictions on any of us in the UK buying the
| software from
| an American dealer? Or would it be worth it once you take
| into account
| shipping etc?
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
| Ray's Home
| Sent: 03 February 2008 00:54
| To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
|
| Well, I've heard all 68 minutes or so of the presentation on
| the KNFB
| embedded cell phone reader, and the listening is interesting
| for more
| than the obvious reasons. Before I say more, some quick
| jump to
| points might be good for those who cannot waite to get to
| the meat.
|
| 23 minutes in givbes you Ray Kurtzveil's intro and future
| gazing - and
| he's known as a futureologist. Things like image and object
| recognition improvements, including, he claims, faces.
|
| thirty minutes in or so, main presentation of what the
| present
| software does, and demos of it working on text, to
| tremendous rapture
| by the audience.
|
| 50 minutes: Question time, including cost of software and
| phone etc.
| and where Americans can buy.
|
| Speaking mostly from emory interesting points are the reader
| will work
| in a phone without a screen reader, and one that's not
| activated.
| Very good Screen enlargement is also there too for those
| with some
| sight,. Good help and keyboard guidance built-in, and
| presenter
| believes the reader software should be usable with very
| minimal
| training for many if not most people.
|
| The phone itself (Nokia n82) measures 4" x 2" x1" thick, and
| weighs in
| at 4 oz.in Its said to be very tacktile and the keys more
| identifiable than many. Sells for $500 or less in the US.
| Has built
| in GPS MP3 player, and high quality camera of course. I say
| all this
| to give some idea of what those fortunate enough to have the
| dosh will
| get in the phone itself.
|
| The software, to be much improved on, turns out to cost
| $1595.00 in
| the US. Now, here's where we come to that pricing issue
| again. that
| would equate to a straight UK conversionof less than
| ?800.00. So, why
| cannot we have it for less than ?100.00? Say ?950.00 for
| reading
| anywhere! What a sales point that could be for those who
| can push the
| poat out? AS opposed to rather more than that, seemingly.
|
| Not sure a UK audience or consumers are going to be quite so
| raptured
| and take the message to the country as they're encouaged to
| do in the
| US! The demo or presentation indeed had more the flavour of
| a
| revivalist meeting, with sounding horn, and loads of
| shrieking and
| applause. Maybe a sort of primary? Not without good
| reason!
|
| I only wish potential UK buyers had as much to shout about.
| AS it is
| the software, as I say, is going for $1595.00, so God knows
| what the
| 37 dealers there actually pay for it. Or what our sole
| distributer
| pays for it, come to that. I'll bet is less than $1595.00.
| Okay, so
| business is about profit; yes, I've got that message. When
| does
| profit turn to greed and extortion? Sorry folks, but yes,
| you can
| have a marvel of a device here, which can only get better.
| You'll pay
| much more dearly for it than folks across the Atlantic.
| Unlike them
| too, you won't be accessing a 3 per cent loan to help buy
| it. That in
| itself would be a good idea, but not sure why anyone should
| help
| bolster an already ludicrus profit margin.
|
| Those remarks aside, I do urge anyone who's not heard the
| launch of
| the KNFB cell phone reader to go on over to:
|
| http://www.blindbargains.com/redirect.php?redirect=2614
|
| And download or simply listen to the file.
|
| Cheers,
|
| From Ray
| I can be contacted off-list at:
| mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| Steve Nutt
| Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
|
|
| Hi Ray,
|
| Well James Everson of Sight And Sound is on this list, so I
| would be
| very
| interested in his comments on this. As a reseller of
| adaptive tech, I
| too
| feel this is overpricing, even allowing for overheads.
|
| All the best
|
| Steve
|
| -----Original Message-----
| Ray's Home
| Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
|
| Paul, the 'over-inflated' UK price is more worthy of a post
| from me!
| (smile).
|
| Think the difference is three or four hundred quid! Presume
| there's
| no
| training being offered if you buy the software alone, as
| surely some
| will
| want to do. So, where exactly is the support and whatever
| in that?
| Sure
| many would like to pay rather less than a thousand quid for
| the
| software, if
| only they could!
|
| Wouldn't be so concerned if this was more obviously another
| leaning on
| Access to work provision, but we're talking enhancing of
| dailly living
| here.
| This makes it look very like extortion to me.
|
| I'd dearly like to see a defence of this, but as we often
| say here,
| I'm not
| holding my breath!
|
| Cheers,
|
| From Ray
| I can be contacted off-list at:
| mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| Paul Leake
| Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
|
|
| an interesting presentation and an intention to continue to
| develop
| the
| product for the future. Pity that the u k price seems over
| inflated
| though!
|
| Cheers
|
| Paul
|
| paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 5:51 PM
| Subject: [access-uk] More on KNFB reader for phones
|
|
| > Hi folks,
| >
| > Take a look, or should I say a listen, to this file. You
| can
| download it
| > from:-
| >
| > http://www.blindbargains.com/redirect.php?redirect=2614
| >
| > All the best
|
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