[access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People
- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:12:36 +0100
Hi Mo
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. I'm just sceptical that those who
have the incapacity, for whatever reason, to use a touch-screen device will
struggle no matter what this new package offers. Perhaps it will be a huge
hit and people will rush out to buy it, we'll doubtless hear in due course.
Kind Regards,
Jackie Cairns
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Mobeen Iqbal
Sent: 14 July 2012 16:19
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People
Hi Jackie, yep precisely my point! to sell a product, you have to make sure
its unique to insure you're going to make something on it! free verses paid?
most people will go for the free option unless something is competitively
priced...
all the best,
Mo.
On 14/07/2012 15:54, Jackie Cairns wrote:
> Hi Mo
>
> I don't want to pour cold water on something I haven't yet seen, but
> the blurb just struck me as reinventing the wheel for a price? If it
> isn't that way then fine, but the very concept of touch-screen is
> going to push some people away before anything else. I just come back to
why something else?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal
> Sent: 14 July 2012 15:48
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People
>
> £300? or £150 or what ever it is for a download? have they actually
> written any applications? the article doesn't say if we can download a
> demo of the programs available. What if you don't like it once you've
> bought it? with mobile accessibility, its obvious what the app does and
you can try it out.
> And its cheaper. fair enough people have to make some money, but
> Android is open source and most apps are free and the ones that aren't
> are low cost and affordable. I thought that, for that price we'd have
> something more than an app that tells us bus times. And as this phone
> is marketed at everyone, why don't they provide an overlay if its
> exclusively touch screen? Maybe they're hoping that we all use our
> handset of choice and by their software but android is totally
> accessible as it is! there are plenty of apps to choose from. I have
> one my self, if 1 app doesn't work for me i find another one or
> contact the developer and most times they can make it accessible. what's
special about this software? in business terms, the unique selling point?
> Yes they provide OCR functions, but you could use google goggles for
> that to an extent. and how good is the OCR? again noone can comment
> because a trial isn't available! It will have to ad a lot of bells and
> wistles to an already accessible product to warrant me spending any
> more money than i already have on mobile accessibility etc. If they
> have indeed written a screen reader from scratch, we've already got a
> choice of 3 screen readers spiel, google talkback, and mobile
> accessibility. From the following page, it seems that many functions may
already have an accessible app available free of charge.
> These guys are charging to set the phone up for you remotely, provide
> access to specific apps they've either written or gotten from the
> android market, and provide a simpler home screen as well as standard
> functions, calling, texting contacts etc. Remote control of a handset
> could be seen as a privacy risk for some. This product aims to have a
> 5 button approach to simplify things, where are the buttons? the
> phones offered seem to be mainly touch screen, i personally find it
> slower to use a touch screen as many people i know do. if i can make a
> call to a contact from the stock android app by holding my finger over
> the contact, why would i need this app? Yes we need phones set up for
> us, but honestly its not hard at all! there are plenty of online
> guides and sometimes you can even have the people in the shop set it
> up for you. I bought my android handset for £120, i had someone sighted go
in to settings and tick accessibility and after that it was plain sailing.
> Here is the sight and sound link for anyone that's interested, but
> this reminds me strongly of the owasys handset or how ever you spell
> it. I'm very glad i didn't buy it when it was released. i crashed it
> the first time i used it just by flicking through ringtones too fast!
> luckily symbian handsets came a long soon after and it was a pleasure
> to switch. the link
> is:
>
> http://www.sightandsound.co.uk/shop/products.php?product=GEORGIE
>
> The product makes no mention of providing functionality to do the
following:
> changing phone settings other than WiFi.
> email functionality.
> browsing the android market.
> access to a web browser.
> an alarm clock or clock of some kind.
> a calendar.
>
> You may as well buy mobile accessibility, download google maps,
> download colour recogniser, perhaps download google goggles and have done
with it.
> I've been setting up handsets for people for years and haven't charged
> anything for doing it if its a quick job which most of the time it is.
>
> Mo.
>
>
> On 14/07/2012 15:24, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>> Maybe your friends at Sight& sound, are't they marketing it?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns"
>> <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To:<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:10 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People
>>
>>
>>> Hi Eleanor
>>>
>>> Ah, yes, the Owasys! I do remember it. I have to say it's easily
>>> forgetable too, a complete rip-off in terms of value for money.
>>>
>>> I was just curious about the new handset though as, no matter how
>>> much voice assistance there is, you are still using a touch-screen
>>> from what the article says, and this is the stumbling block for
>>> those with dexterity problems, and for those who simply don't want
>>> to use a touch-screen.
>>> I was
>>> really wondering if anyone had come across it so they could say. If
>>> it has a place that bridges the gap for some folk, then fine, but it
>>> just made me wonder why.
>>>
>>> I am sure that if anyone is visiting Sight Village, it will be on
>>> display at least. Perhaps someone could report back?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
>>> Sent: 14 July 2012 14:59
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People
>>>
>>> Well Jackie I don't know any more than yourself but do you recall
>>> that dreaded Oasis or something or other from RNIB. I nearly bought
>>> it as my first phone with speech, thank Heavens I didn't. Maybe
>>> someone has decided that blind people again need something basic. I
>>> have to say I love the Symbian Nokia phones.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jackie Cairns"<jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:52 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People
>>>
>>>
>>>> Forgive me, but having read the article via the link Tom posted, is
>>>> this not reinventing the wheel, or have I missed something? Why
>>>> have a Smartphone touch-screen mobile for blind and visually
>>>> impaired people with specific apps when you can already access
>>>> either Apple or Android handsets?
>>>> Hoping
>>>> someone might clarify the point of having such a phone in addition
>>>> to what is already out there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf Of Tom Lorimer
>>>> Sent: 14 July 2012 11:43
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> Try this link:
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18818279
>>>>
>>>> Tom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: jeff flint<mailto:jeffflint15@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:54 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] New Accessible Phone for Blind People
>>>>
>>>> My brother in Australia heard a report from England that a new
>>>> mobile phone, with lots of bells an whistles, was launched last
>>>> Thursday in London.
>>>> Does anybody know anything about it?
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
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