But, on the subject of all this, I know we obviously don't use the ECDL in my country, but I'd really like to master all of Microsoft Office and such programs properly, but, well, I know there are quite a lot out there, but can anyone recommend to me where I can find propper, comprehensive and up-to-date tutorials for using Office 2003 with JAWS? I'd appreciate it though, even if I have to pay a bit, if these tutorials are very thorough. I know Word in a way, but I'd like to do Advanced stuff in Word, and to start learning all the features in Excel, Access, Outlook and FrontPage. Can we use FP with JAWS to do Web design, or what software would you guys recommend short of typing raw html code into notepad, grin?
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Hi allI guess it depends on the college and the staff. Last year three students with no sight achieved ECDL level 1. They are now working on level 2. Another student with very little sight has achieved one level 1 module and will soon take another exam.A couple of years ago 2 students, one with no sight, achieved the full ECDL.I work one to one with the students in their college session and they also study at home. We don't tamper with the course or the papers. They are the same for all students, with no sight or sighted. I do apply to the British Computer Society for extra time of 33% so it's available if necessary. The students and I know that their success has the same validity as the next person's success on what is quite a demanding course of study.Interestingly one student's sighted cousin is studying online. She occasionally sends in completed work for marking and believes that she is passing the modules. There is some small print in the website that mentions going to a test centre to take exams but the rest of the website says that you are getting a certificate but when you look closer it's a certificate from the company saying that you have a completed a course of study with them.Best wishes Naomi -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie CairnsSent: 12 October 2007 11:18 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: d i y ecdl[Scanned]Yeah I bet they are Jim. I would only ever embark on such a course if I wastied down kicking and screaming (smile.), but good luck if you manage it.Whenever I hear of an institution saying they are putting together a packageof materials to make a course accessible, I hear an alarm bell in my headthat says oh no, not tampering with the real thing are you? That will make the qualification really pretty pointless if it is adapted too much. Localcolleges try doing it all the time, and I must admit I was having none of that in my time there. It was either working with the tools I had tocomplete it in my own right or not at all. Work-arounds are acceptable, butnot revamping the course altogether. Anyway good luck. Jackie----- Original Message ----- From: "jim mcauslan" <axdr89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: d i y ecdlHi Jackie, I've been talking to some folk at RNIB Loughborough college who have put together a package of learning materials which cover clait, clait plus and ecdl. These learning materials and delivery system have been put together so that vi peple can complete these courses independently, however the cost comes in at £1000. My local college are balking at the price. If I could get funding for it, I would buy it for myself and give it a go but that doesn't look likely. Jim McAuslan from sunny Findhorn Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open T 01309-690-124 M 07875-670-833 e mail axdr89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype jmca011----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: d i y ecdlJim and Ray, I thought many moons ago that Dorton College did one of these courses which was designed with us in mind. But that was a long time ago, and I've never ever heard anything positive from a blindperspective about doing one since. It makes me kind of smile to think of local colleges taking it on for someone with some or no sight. I gave myestablishment the run-around doing journalism, and that brought up challenges at every single turn, (grin.) Would BCAB know? Jackie----- Original Message ----- From: "jim mcauslan" <axdr89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: d i y ecdlHi Ray, What surprises me is that the institution that produces ecdl modules hasn't been inundated with complaints from vi users and legal notices from whoever enforces the DDA legislation. Jim McAuslan from sunny Findhorn Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open T 01309-690-124 M 07875-670-833 e mail axdr89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype jmca011----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:25 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: d i y ecdlJim, probably not. We've had at least one person here say that she found the ECDLcourse local to her was not a viable option. This said, I've seen one or two on other lists mention they've done it, but I suspect they may have had a bit of useful sight. Must say that what I've seen of the modules my sister is doing - (she's notVI) suggest to me that the web based stuff at least isn't really doable. Seem to recall it uses a lot of flash stuff, and that seems to be very nearly a no go area. Hope you get some more positive feedback and comments than I'm giving out here. Cheers, From Ray I can be contacted off-list at: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- jim mcauslan Hi List, Is there such a thing as a totally doable ecdl for those of us with no sight and who want to do it without sighted assistance? If there is where can I, or my local college, find it? If there isn't then why and what can the blind community do about it? 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