[access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
- From: "Angel" <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:19:15 -0400
No thank you. Though I do appreciate your offer. One other thing I have
found about blind people, they are always eager to help when they feel there
is a need.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> Would you like me to see if I can get an illegal scanned version of it
> for you?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Angel
> Sent: 15 April 2005 16:01
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
> I know what you mean about breaking the spines of books. My daughter
> purchased a book at a library book sale which was published about 1897
> or something like that. It is so old I am afraid to scan it for fear of
> damaging it, and she doesn't live at home anymore and is not available
> to read it for me.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:52 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
> > ... And when you break the spine of a library book in order to scan
> > it, they're usually not impressed.
> >
> > We have to recognise here that in the time that it takes for you to
> > scan one book, sighted friends or colleagues could have immediately
> > started reading a book and skimmed about 10 others very satisfactorily
>
> > within the same time period.
> >
> > We need to take the scanning out of the equation.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Barry
> > Sent: 15 April 2005 09:39
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >
> >
> > I know what you mean. When you have spent 3 hours scanning a book
> > from the library, you're a bit loathe to delete it when you take the
> > book back. There's also the expense of buying OCR programmes that are
> > half decent.
> >
> > Barry H
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:30 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >
> >
> > I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about getting
> > free books. What really pisses me off though is having to spend three
> > bleeding
> > hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it!
> >
> > JT
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Ray's Home
> > Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >
> >
> > Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are a
>
> > public service, well what's left of them! The notion of public
> > service has taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so,
>
> > not surprisingly,
> > you are often hard pressed to find the latest books there.
> >
> > As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians in
> > the middle ages did argue that stealing food for survival was OK,
> > just as much
> > as you needed to stay alive that is. I guess Daman is arguing for the
> > right
> > for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food alone.
> >
> > I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of
> > reading, much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed. The
> > sheer farce of
> > trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the
> > breadth
> > of material available to other students has to be gone through to be
> > believed.
> >
> > I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally and
> > its certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these
> > days has
> > many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in all
> > the
> > various formats. I just wonder how much those here would be prepared
> to
> > pay
> > to own a copy if that were an option. Seems to me that unabridged
> audio
> >
> > books are always going to be at a premium price although I do not see
> > that the margin has to be as high as it is now.
> >
> > Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it. I
>
> > just wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be
> > made available, and more to the point, how? Taking the risk of
> > resurrecting the
> > format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just how
> > will
> > the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up to
> > reality?
> >
> > By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from
> > wondering offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file
>
> > size allowed on
> > this list!
> > Ray
> >
> > Personal emails: Email me at
> > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Angel"
> >
> > > Libraries give books for free because of their community obligation,
>
> > > not because of a human rite any may have. Have you tried to get the
>
> > > books you seek from sources like Audible.com. The people there have
>
> > > gone out of their way to make their site and books accessible to us.
>
> > > There is no rational explanation for stealing.
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Damon Rose"
> > >
> > >> Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a
> > >> human
> > > right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for
> > > similar reasons, surely?
> > >>
> > >> What about classic books of our time, thos that are social
> > >> commentaries
> > > such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
> > > parliance, using the term 'big brother society' uses a character
> > > from a novel to shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation
> > > about a complicated concept
> > > that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
> > >>
> > >> Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
> > > technological and social zeitgeist.
> > >>
> > >> Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography Shooting
> > > History, for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain
> > > an awful lot of important and significant commentary and
> > > information.
> > >>
> > >> It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue
> > >> to make
> > > books inaccessible.
> > >>
> > >> I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so that
>
> > >> they
> > > will continue to publish great books. I would like authors to
> > > benefit from my individual purchase. But if books are inaccessible
> > > then they kind
> > of
> > > have to accept that we steal their texts.
> > >>
> > >> In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the
> > >> first
> > > place, we're just steeling it bak again.
> > >>
> > >> ...Damon
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > Angel
> > >>
> > >> How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever
> > >> you want
> > > to read is a basic human rite. In which constitution does it say
> > > this? If
> > > you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
> > > software,
> > > or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits.
> > Though
> > > basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being able to
> > read
> >
> > > your favorite novel is not.
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Damon"
> >
> > >> > Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
> > >> >
> > >> > I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read
> > >> > print.
> > >> >
> > >> > Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we
> > >> > can't really describe it as thievery. I'd describe it as taking
> > >> > something that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
> > >> >
> > >> > It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means. If
> > >> > you
> >
> > >> > are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a human
> > >> > right, then
> > >> you
> > >> > have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
> > >> >
> > >> > ...Damon
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Angel"
> > >> >
> > >> > > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one must
>
> > >> > > resort
> > >> to
> > >> > > thievery.
> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv
> > >> > > > shows on
> > >> > > BitTorrent. If the manufacturers and service providers of
> > >> > > things
> >
> > >> > > like
> > >> > TiVo
> > >> > > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible
> > >> > > then I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I
> > >> > > can be part of this
> > >> > here
> > >> > > society. Thank you. And yes I'd be happy to see what a
> > >> > > courtroom made
> > >> of
> > >> > > that too.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> > >> > > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
> > >> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for pirating
>
> > >> > > > music
> > >> from
> > >> > > the Net. None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I
> > >> > > am forced
> > >> to
> > >> > > steal music instead. I'd like to go to court for that I think!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > JT
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > Damon Rose
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Here's another solution. Why don't we just all sue Apple?
> > >> > > > Or mail
> > >> them
> > >> > > in our droves? All the faffing around we have to do to gain a
> > >> > > weeny bit
> > >> > of
> > >> > > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really
> > >> > > really
> > >> bugs
> > >> > > the hell out of me.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > >
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