Hi Angel, There's where you are going to fall over. No, the Book Courier only supports Windows ME and up. All the best -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Angel Sent: 16 April 2005 13:15 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue I will have to look in to the currier. Does the currier support windows 98. The book port doesn't. If, however, if you want a free, sort of, player the muvo is the ticket. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 6:28 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue > Hi Angel, > > The Muvo is not an Audible player manufactured especially for Audible, like > the Otis is, it is a Creative player that just happens to play Audible as > well. This is a nicer player, but not as nice as the hard drive models, > such as the Iriver, and Archos models. Shame they don't play Audible as > well. So I still say the best Audible player is the Book Courier. Not only > that, the Book Courier is fully accessible. I know the Muvo is accessible > in that it does not have a screen, but you don't know which files you are > playing, until they play. With the Book Courier, you can browse Audible > books on the flash card, and pick them, like picking off a bookshelf. You > also get better battery life with the Courier, and yes, it is better quality > than the Muvo. And let's not forget that the Muvo doesn't do bookmarks > either. > > Just my humble, of course. > > All the best > -- > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf > Of Angel > Sent: 16 April 2005 04:15 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue > > > They have a new player called the muvo, I think that is how it is spelled, > which is better than their older one. I know I like it. It acts as a thumb > drive on your computer and you can put other types of files on it such as > mp3's and wma files. I take mine to work all the time. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 7:07 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue > > > > Hi Angel, > > > > Have you tried the Audible Otis player? It is the worst aspect of > Audible. > > The battery life is crap, and the quality is also. You are better off > with > > the Book Courier as an Audible player. > > > > All the best > > -- > > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. > > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 > > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, > > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf > > Of Angel > > Sent: 15 April 2005 20:31 > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue > > > > > > You can read fast food nation by subscribing to > > www.audible.com > > You must download their audible manager and play the books you purchase > from > > there. Audible makes a really good effort at making their site available > to > > the blind subscriber. There are basically two memberships. The basic > > membership which allows for a book and a subscription to either a radio > > program or magazine for 14.95 dollars a month. if one pays this fee one > can > > download a book and a subscription of any price. The other subscription > is > > the same save it allows for two books and no subscriptions. This > > subscription costs 1995. Audible also gives you free if you commit to > them > > for a year an extremely blind friendly portable player on which you can > play > > your books. You can put this player in your pocket and listen to the > player > > while out and about. Not only does Audible have fast food nation but it > has > > other current best sellers as well. If you join and refer others to the > > service you can get book credits and become eligible for great prizes as > > well. These books are read by humans and not by synthesizers. Happy > > reading. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Justin R" <mypc128@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:05 AM > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > can I just jump in here a sec? Being a person who can read printed > > material > > > with a magnifier although, I much prefer material in audio format, i can > > get > > > far more reading done that way and, I'm for going over and over printed > > > material several times just to try and read it right, LOL. However, > > > firstly, I find most of the books I want to read, new ones, are never > > > available in audio format so, I'm missing out of books I wanna read now! > > > Like the book Damon Rose talked about "food Nation" I really would like > > to > > > read that and it's been recommended to me several times over the past > two > > > years. > > > > > > Secondly, how does every get on with reading books via the PC i.e. using > > > screan readers? I ask as, I can't get on with that, the flat drowning > > voice > > > just puts me off and easily loose concentration, lol. i tried that > method > > > as a daisy book tester for the NLB. From what I'm hearing, that method > > > seems combersome anyway, from and info scanning point of view. I know > I'd > > > pretty much give up on using that technique as, just waiting for ages to > > > read something when sighted people can just pick up a book and off they > > go! > > > We're either having to scan in material, wait hours for it to produce it > > in > > > the format we read, or, like me, you just miss out, waiting an endless > > > amount of time for the book to come on an audio format. > > > > > > this isn't good. So, I can understand people getting audio books by > means > > > other than the conventional way. > > > > > > OK, I'll shut up now, lol! > > > > > > Justin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:39 AM > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go? > > > > > > > > > >I know what you mean. When you have spent 3 hours scanning a book from > > the > > > > library, you're a bit loathe to delete it when you take the book back. > > > > There's also the expense of buying OCR programmes that are half > decent. > > > > > > > > Barry H > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:30 AM > > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about getting > > free > > > > books. What really pisses me off though is having to spend three > > bleeding > > > > hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it! > > > > > > > > JT > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > Behalf > > > > Of Ray's Home > > > > Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34 > > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are a > > > > public service, well what's left of them! The notion of public > service > > > > has > > > > taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so, not > > > > surprisingly, > > > > you are often hard pressed to find the latest books there. > > > > > > > > As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians in > > the > > > > middle ages did argue that stealing food for survival was OK, just as > > > > much > > > > as you needed to stay alive that is. I guess Daman is arguing for the > > > > right > > > > for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food alone. > > > > > > > > I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of > > reading, > > > > much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed. The sheer > farce > > > > of > > > > trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the > > breadth > > > > of material available to other students has to be gone through to be > > > > believed. > > > > > > > > I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally and > > its > > > > certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these days > > has > > > > many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in all > > the > > > > various formats. I just wonder how much those here would be prepared > to > > > > pay > > > > to own a copy if that were an option. Seems to me that unabridged > audio > > > > books are always going to be at a premium price although I do not see > > that > > > > the margin has to be as high as it is now. > > > > > > > > Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it. I > > > > just > > > > wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be made > > > > available, and more to the point, how? Taking the risk of > resurrecting > > > > the > > > > format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just how > > will > > > > the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up to > > > > reality? > > > > > > > > By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from > > wondering > > > > offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file size > > allowed > > > > on > > > > this list! > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > Personal emails: Email me at > > > > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Angel" > > > > > > > >> Libraries give books for free because of their community obligation, > > not > > > >> because of a human rite any may have. Have you tried to get the > books > > > >> you > > > >> seek from sources like Audible.com. The people there have gone out > of > > > >> their > > > >> way to make their site and books accessible to us. There is no > > rational > > > >> explanation for stealing. > > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Damon Rose" > > > >> > > > >>> Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a human > > > >> right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for > > similar > > > >> reasons, surely? > > > >>> > > > >>> What about classic books of our time, thos that are social > > commentaries > > > >> such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common > > > >> parliance, > > > >> using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a novel to > > > >> shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a complicated > > > >> concept > > > >> that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell. > > > >>> > > > >>> Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the > > > >> technological and social zeitgeist. > > > >>> > > > >>> Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography Shooting > > > >> History, for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain > an > > > >> awful > > > >> lot of important and significant commentary and information. > > > >>> > > > >>> It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue to > > > >>> make > > > >> books inaccessible. > > > >>> > > > >>> I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so that > > they > > > >> will continue to publish great books. I would like authors to > benefit > > > >> from > > > >> my individual purchase. But if books are inaccessible then they kind > > of > > > >> have to accept that we steal their texts. > > > >>> > > > >>> In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the first > > > >> place, we're just steeling it bak again. > > > >>> > > > >>> ...Damon > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > > Angel > > > >>> > > > >>> How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever you > > > >>> want > > > >> to read is a basic human rite. In which constitution does it say > this? > > > >> If > > > >> you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading > > > >> software, > > > >> or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits. > Though > > > >> basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being able to > > read > > > > > > > >> your favorite novel is not. > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>> From: "Damon" > > > > > > > >>> > Yes, it's a shame isn't it. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read print. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we > > can't > > > >>> > really describe it as thievery. I'd describe it as taking > something > > > >>> > that should rightfully be in our domain anyway. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means. If > you > > > >>> > are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a human > > right, > > > >>> > then > > > >>> you > > > >>> > have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > ...Damon > > > >>> > > > > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>> > From: "Angel" > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one must > > > >>> > > resort > > > >>> to > > > >>> > > thievery. > > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>> > > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv shows > > on > > > >>> > > BitTorrent. If the manufacturers and service providers of > things > > > >>> > > like > > > >>> > TiVo > > > >>> > > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible > > then > > > >>> > > I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I can be > > part > > > >>> > > of this > > > >>> > here > > > >>> > > society. Thank you. And yes I'd be happy to see what a > courtroom > > > >>> > > made > > > >>> of > > > >>> > > that too. > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >>> > > Of Tyrer, Jonathan > > > >>> > > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42 > > > >>> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >>> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go? > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for pirating > > > >>> > > > music > > > >>> from > > > >>> > > the Net. None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I am > > > >>> > > forced > > > >>> to > > > >>> > > steal music instead. 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