[access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:28:14 +0100
Hi Angel,
The Muvo is not an Audible player manufactured especially for Audible, like
the Otis is, it is a Creative player that just happens to play Audible as
well. This is a nicer player, but not as nice as the hard drive models,
such as the Iriver, and Archos models. Shame they don't play Audible as
well. So I still say the best Audible player is the Book Courier. Not only
that, the Book Courier is fully accessible. I know the Muvo is accessible
in that it does not have a screen, but you don't know which files you are
playing, until they play. With the Book Courier, you can browse Audible
books on the flash card, and pick them, like picking off a bookshelf. You
also get better battery life with the Courier, and yes, it is better quality
than the Muvo. And let's not forget that the Muvo doesn't do bookmarks
either.
Just my humble, of course.
All the best
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of Angel
Sent: 16 April 2005 04:15
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
They have a new player called the muvo, I think that is how it is spelled,
which is better than their older one. I know I like it. It acts as a thumb
drive on your computer and you can put other types of files on it such as
mp3's and wma files. I take mine to work all the time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 7:07 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
> Hi Angel,
>
> Have you tried the Audible Otis player? It is the worst aspect of
Audible.
> The battery life is crap, and the quality is also. You are better off
with
> the Book Courier as an Audible player.
>
> All the best
> --
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> Of Angel
> Sent: 15 April 2005 20:31
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
>
>
> You can read fast food nation by subscribing to
> www.audible.com
> You must download their audible manager and play the books you purchase
from
> there. Audible makes a really good effort at making their site available
to
> the blind subscriber. There are basically two memberships. The basic
> membership which allows for a book and a subscription to either a radio
> program or magazine for 14.95 dollars a month. if one pays this fee one
can
> download a book and a subscription of any price. The other subscription
is
> the same save it allows for two books and no subscriptions. This
> subscription costs 1995. Audible also gives you free if you commit to
them
> for a year an extremely blind friendly portable player on which you can
play
> your books. You can put this player in your pocket and listen to the
player
> while out and about. Not only does Audible have fast food nation but it
has
> other current best sellers as well. If you join and refer others to the
> service you can get book credits and become eligible for great prizes as
> well. These books are read by humans and not by synthesizers. Happy
> reading.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Justin R" <mypc128@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
>
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > can I just jump in here a sec? Being a person who can read printed
> material
> > with a magnifier although, I much prefer material in audio format, i can
> get
> > far more reading done that way and, I'm for going over and over printed
> > material several times just to try and read it right, LOL. However,
> > firstly, I find most of the books I want to read, new ones, are never
> > available in audio format so, I'm missing out of books I wanna read now!
> > Like the book Damon Rose talked about "food Nation" I really would like
> to
> > read that and it's been recommended to me several times over the past
two
> > years.
> >
> > Secondly, how does every get on with reading books via the PC i.e. using
> > screan readers? I ask as, I can't get on with that, the flat drowning
> voice
> > just puts me off and easily loose concentration, lol. i tried that
method
> > as a daisy book tester for the NLB. From what I'm hearing, that method
> > seems combersome anyway, from and info scanning point of view. I know
I'd
> > pretty much give up on using that technique as, just waiting for ages to
> > read something when sighted people can just pick up a book and off they
> go!
> > We're either having to scan in material, wait hours for it to produce it
> in
> > the format we read, or, like me, you just miss out, waiting an endless
> > amount of time for the book to come on an audio format.
> >
> > this isn't good. So, I can understand people getting audio books by
means
> > other than the conventional way.
> >
> > OK, I'll shut up now, lol!
> >
> > Justin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:39 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >
> >
> > >I know what you mean. When you have spent 3 hours scanning a book from
> the
> > > library, you're a bit loathe to delete it when you take the book back.
> > > There's also the expense of buying OCR programmes that are half
decent.
> > >
> > > Barry H
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:30 AM
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about getting
> free
> > > books. What really pisses me off though is having to spend three
> bleeding
> > > hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it!
> > >
> > > JT
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf
> > > Of Ray's Home
> > > Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are a
> > > public service, well what's left of them! The notion of public
service
> > > has
> > > taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so, not
> > > surprisingly,
> > > you are often hard pressed to find the latest books there.
> > >
> > > As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians in
> the
> > > middle ages did argue that stealing food for survival was OK, just as
> > > much
> > > as you needed to stay alive that is. I guess Daman is arguing for the
> > > right
> > > for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food alone.
> > >
> > > I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of
> reading,
> > > much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed. The sheer
farce
> > > of
> > > trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the
> breadth
> > > of material available to other students has to be gone through to be
> > > believed.
> > >
> > > I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally and
> its
> > > certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these days
> has
> > > many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in all
> the
> > > various formats. I just wonder how much those here would be prepared
to
> > > pay
> > > to own a copy if that were an option. Seems to me that unabridged
audio
> > > books are always going to be at a premium price although I do not see
> that
> > > the margin has to be as high as it is now.
> > >
> > > Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it. I
> > > just
> > > wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be made
> > > available, and more to the point, how? Taking the risk of
resurrecting
> > > the
> > > format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just how
> will
> > > the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up to
> > > reality?
> > >
> > > By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from
> wondering
> > > offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file size
> allowed
> > > on
> > > this list!
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > Personal emails: Email me at
> > > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Angel"
> > >
> > >> Libraries give books for free because of their community obligation,
> not
> > >> because of a human rite any may have. Have you tried to get the
books
> > >> you
> > >> seek from sources like Audible.com. The people there have gone out
of
> > >> their
> > >> way to make their site and books accessible to us. There is no
> rational
> > >> explanation for stealing.
> > >
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Damon Rose"
> > >>
> > >>> Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a human
> > >> right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for
> similar
> > >> reasons, surely?
> > >>>
> > >>> What about classic books of our time, thos that are social
> commentaries
> > >> such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
> > >> parliance,
> > >> using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a novel to
> > >> shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a complicated
> > >> concept
> > >> that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
> > >>>
> > >>> Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
> > >> technological and social zeitgeist.
> > >>>
> > >>> Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography Shooting
> > >> History, for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain
an
> > >> awful
> > >> lot of important and significant commentary and information.
> > >>>
> > >>> It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue to
> > >>> make
> > >> books inaccessible.
> > >>>
> > >>> I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so that
> they
> > >> will continue to publish great books. I would like authors to
benefit
> > >> from
> > >> my individual purchase. But if books are inaccessible then they kind
> of
> > >> have to accept that we steal their texts.
> > >>>
> > >>> In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the first
> > >> place, we're just steeling it bak again.
> > >>>
> > >>> ...Damon
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > Angel
> > >>>
> > >>> How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever you
> > >>> want
> > >> to read is a basic human rite. In which constitution does it say
this?
> > >> If
> > >> you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
> > >> software,
> > >> or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits.
Though
> > >> basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being able to
> read
> > >
> > >> your favorite novel is not.
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Damon"
> > >
> > >>> > Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read print.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we
> can't
> > >>> > really describe it as thievery. I'd describe it as taking
something
> > >>> > that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means. If
you
> > >>> > are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a human
> right,
> > >>> > then
> > >>> you
> > >>> > have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > ...Damon
> > >>> >
> > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> > From: "Angel"
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one must
> > >>> > > resort
> > >>> to
> > >>> > > thievery.
> > >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> > > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv shows
> on
> > >>> > > BitTorrent. If the manufacturers and service providers of
things
> > >>> > > like
> > >>> > TiVo
> > >>> > > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible
> then
> > >>> > > I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I can be
> part
> > >>> > > of this
> > >>> > here
> > >>> > > society. Thank you. And yes I'd be happy to see what a
courtroom
> > >>> > > made
> > >>> of
> > >>> > > that too.
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >>> > > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> > >>> > > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
> > >>> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for pirating
> > >>> > > > music
> > >>> from
> > >>> > > the Net. None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I am
> > >>> > > forced
> > >>> to
> > >>> > > steal music instead. I'd like to go to court for that I think!
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > JT
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >>> > > Damon Rose
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > Here's another solution. Why don't we just all sue Apple? Or
> > >>> > > > mail
> > >>> them
> > >>> > > in our droves? All the faffing around we have to do to gain a
> weeny
> > >>> > > bit
> > >>> > of
> > >>> > > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really
> really
> > >>> bugs
> > >>> > > the hell out of me.
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > >>
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