[access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
- From: "Angel" <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:15:20 -0400
They have a new player called the muvo, I think that is how it is spelled,
which is better than their older one. I know I like it. It acts as a thumb
drive on your computer and you can put other types of files on it such as
mp3's and wma files. I take mine to work all the time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 7:07 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
> Hi Angel,
>
> Have you tried the Audible Otis player? It is the worst aspect of
Audible.
> The battery life is crap, and the quality is also. You are better off
with
> the Book Courier as an Audible player.
>
> All the best
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> Of Angel
> Sent: 15 April 2005 20:31
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
>
>
> You can read fast food nation by subscribing to
> www.audible.com
> You must download their audible manager and play the books you purchase
from
> there. Audible makes a really good effort at making their site available
to
> the blind subscriber. There are basically two memberships. The basic
> membership which allows for a book and a subscription to either a radio
> program or magazine for 14.95 dollars a month. if one pays this fee one
can
> download a book and a subscription of any price. The other subscription
is
> the same save it allows for two books and no subscriptions. This
> subscription costs 1995. Audible also gives you free if you commit to
them
> for a year an extremely blind friendly portable player on which you can
play
> your books. You can put this player in your pocket and listen to the
player
> while out and about. Not only does Audible have fast food nation but it
has
> other current best sellers as well. If you join and refer others to the
> service you can get book credits and become eligible for great prizes as
> well. These books are read by humans and not by synthesizers. Happy
> reading.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Justin R" <mypc128@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
>
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > can I just jump in here a sec? Being a person who can read printed
> material
> > with a magnifier although, I much prefer material in audio format, i can
> get
> > far more reading done that way and, I'm for going over and over printed
> > material several times just to try and read it right, LOL. However,
> > firstly, I find most of the books I want to read, new ones, are never
> > available in audio format so, I'm missing out of books I wanna read now!
> > Like the book Damon Rose talked about "food Nation" I really would like
> to
> > read that and it's been recommended to me several times over the past
two
> > years.
> >
> > Secondly, how does every get on with reading books via the PC i.e. using
> > screan readers? I ask as, I can't get on with that, the flat drowning
> voice
> > just puts me off and easily loose concentration, lol. i tried that
method
> > as a daisy book tester for the NLB. From what I'm hearing, that method
> > seems combersome anyway, from and info scanning point of view. I know
I'd
> > pretty much give up on using that technique as, just waiting for ages to
> > read something when sighted people can just pick up a book and off they
> go!
> > We're either having to scan in material, wait hours for it to produce it
> in
> > the format we read, or, like me, you just miss out, waiting an endless
> > amount of time for the book to come on an audio format.
> >
> > this isn't good. So, I can understand people getting audio books by
means
> > other than the conventional way.
> >
> > OK, I'll shut up now, lol!
> >
> > Justin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:39 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >
> >
> > >I know what you mean. When you have spent 3 hours scanning a book from
> the
> > > library, you're a bit loathe to delete it when you take the book back.
> > > There's also the expense of buying OCR programmes that are half
decent.
> > >
> > > Barry H
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:30 AM
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about getting
> free
> > > books. What really pisses me off though is having to spend three
> bleeding
> > > hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it!
> > >
> > > JT
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf
> > > Of Ray's Home
> > > Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are a
> > > public service, well what's left of them! The notion of public
service
> > > has
> > > taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so, not
> > > surprisingly,
> > > you are often hard pressed to find the latest books there.
> > >
> > > As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians in
> the
> > > middle ages did argue that stealing food for survival was OK, just as
> > > much
> > > as you needed to stay alive that is. I guess Daman is arguing for the
> > > right
> > > for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food alone.
> > >
> > > I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of
> reading,
> > > much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed. The sheer
farce
> > > of
> > > trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the
> breadth
> > > of material available to other students has to be gone through to be
> > > believed.
> > >
> > > I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally and
> its
> > > certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these days
> has
> > > many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in all
> the
> > > various formats. I just wonder how much those here would be prepared
to
> > > pay
> > > to own a copy if that were an option. Seems to me that unabridged
audio
> > > books are always going to be at a premium price although I do not see
> that
> > > the margin has to be as high as it is now.
> > >
> > > Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it. I
> > > just
> > > wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be made
> > > available, and more to the point, how? Taking the risk of
resurrecting
> > > the
> > > format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just how
> will
> > > the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up to
> > > reality?
> > >
> > > By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from
> wondering
> > > offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file size
> allowed
> > > on
> > > this list!
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > Personal emails: Email me at
> > > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Angel"
> > >
> > >> Libraries give books for free because of their community obligation,
> not
> > >> because of a human rite any may have. Have you tried to get the
books
> > >> you
> > >> seek from sources like Audible.com. The people there have gone out
of
> > >> their
> > >> way to make their site and books accessible to us. There is no
> rational
> > >> explanation for stealing.
> > >
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Damon Rose"
> > >>
> > >>> Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a human
> > >> right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for
> similar
> > >> reasons, surely?
> > >>>
> > >>> What about classic books of our time, thos that are social
> commentaries
> > >> such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
> > >> parliance,
> > >> using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a novel to
> > >> shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a complicated
> > >> concept
> > >> that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
> > >>>
> > >>> Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
> > >> technological and social zeitgeist.
> > >>>
> > >>> Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography Shooting
> > >> History, for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain
an
> > >> awful
> > >> lot of important and significant commentary and information.
> > >>>
> > >>> It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue to
> > >>> make
> > >> books inaccessible.
> > >>>
> > >>> I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so that
> they
> > >> will continue to publish great books. I would like authors to
benefit
> > >> from
> > >> my individual purchase. But if books are inaccessible then they kind
> of
> > >> have to accept that we steal their texts.
> > >>>
> > >>> In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the first
> > >> place, we're just steeling it bak again.
> > >>>
> > >>> ...Damon
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > Angel
> > >>>
> > >>> How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever you
> > >>> want
> > >> to read is a basic human rite. In which constitution does it say
this?
> > >> If
> > >> you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
> > >> software,
> > >> or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits.
Though
> > >> basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being able to
> read
> > >
> > >> your favorite novel is not.
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Damon"
> > >
> > >>> > Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read print.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we
> can't
> > >>> > really describe it as thievery. I'd describe it as taking
something
> > >>> > that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means. If
you
> > >>> > are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a human
> right,
> > >>> > then
> > >>> you
> > >>> > have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > ...Damon
> > >>> >
> > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> > From: "Angel"
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one must
> > >>> > > resort
> > >>> to
> > >>> > > thievery.
> > >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> > > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv shows
> on
> > >>> > > BitTorrent. If the manufacturers and service providers of
things
> > >>> > > like
> > >>> > TiVo
> > >>> > > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible
> then
> > >>> > > I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I can be
> part
> > >>> > > of this
> > >>> > here
> > >>> > > society. Thank you. And yes I'd be happy to see what a
courtroom
> > >>> > > made
> > >>> of
> > >>> > > that too.
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >>> > > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> > >>> > > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
> > >>> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for pirating
> > >>> > > > music
> > >>> from
> > >>> > > the Net. None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I am
> > >>> > > forced
> > >>> to
> > >>> > > steal music instead. I'd like to go to court for that I think!
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > JT
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >>> > > Damon Rose
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > Here's another solution. Why don't we just all sue Apple? Or
> > >>> > > > mail
> > >>> them
> > >>> > > in our droves? All the faffing around we have to do to gain a
> weeny
> > >>> > > bit
> > >>> > of
> > >>> > > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really
> really
> > >>> bugs
> > >>> > > the hell out of me.
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > >>
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