[access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:08:19 +0100
Justin. Guess I'm in a pretty similar position to yourself. I do though have
a slight advantage maybe in that I got into reading print comics and books as a
child and so using a magnifier, these days with inbuilt light, I find I can
stil manage whole novels, albeit rather slowely by normal standards.
I like audio books, especially if they are well read. Hard to beat the likes
of Michael Palin reading his own stuff.
I find the trouble with libraries, and especially RNIB, is that as a rule you
do not get to read what you want when you want. The Central library here has
quite an exstensive range of ubnabridged books which they get in quite quickly
if, as usual, they aren't in stock. That's how I came to read most of Tom Shr
Sharpe's stuff.
I'll be making a short comment on cost in another message.
Ray
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin R" <mypc128@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 3:05 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
> Hi guys,
>
> can I just jump in here a sec? Being a person who can read printed material
> with a magnifier although, I much prefer material in audio format, i can get
> far more reading done that way and, I'm for going over and over printed
> material several times just to try and read it right, LOL. However,
> firstly, I find most of the books I want to read, new ones, are never
> available in audio format so, I'm missing out of books I wanna read now!
> Like the book Damon Rose talked about "food Nation" I really would like to
> read that and it's been recommended to me several times over the past two
> years.
>
> Secondly, how does every get on with reading books via the PC i.e. using
> screan readers? I ask as, I can't get on with that, the flat drowning voice
> just puts me off and easily loose concentration, lol. i tried that method
> as a daisy book tester for the NLB. From what I'm hearing, that method
> seems combersome anyway, from and info scanning point of view. I know I'd
> pretty much give up on using that technique as, just waiting for ages to
> read something when sighted people can just pick up a book and off they go!
> We're either having to scan in material, wait hours for it to produce it in
> the format we read, or, like me, you just miss out, waiting an endless
> amount of time for the book to come on an audio format.
>
> this isn't good. So, I can understand people getting audio books by means
> other than the conventional way.
>
> OK, I'll shut up now, lol!
>
> Justin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:39 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
>>I know what you mean. When you have spent 3 hours scanning a book from the
>> library, you're a bit loathe to delete it when you take the book back.
>> There's also the expense of buying OCR programmes that are half decent.
>>
>> Barry H
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:30 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>>
>>
>> I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about getting free
>> books. What really pisses me off though is having to spend three bleeding
>> hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it!
>>
>> JT
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
>> Of Ray's Home
>> Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>>
>>
>> Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are a
>> public service, well what's left of them! The notion of public service
>> has
>> taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so, not
>> surprisingly,
>> you are often hard pressed to find the latest books there.
>>
>> As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians in the
>> middle ages did argue that stealing food for survival was OK, just as
>> much
>> as you needed to stay alive that is. I guess Daman is arguing for the
>> right
>> for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food alone.
>>
>> I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of reading,
>> much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed. The sheer farce
>> of
>> trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the breadth
>> of material available to other students has to be gone through to be
>> believed.
>>
>> I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally and its
>> certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these days has
>> many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in all the
>> various formats. I just wonder how much those here would be prepared to
>> pay
>> to own a copy if that were an option. Seems to me that unabridged audio
>> books are always going to be at a premium price although I do not see that
>> the margin has to be as high as it is now.
>>
>> Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it. I
>> just
>> wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be made
>> available, and more to the point, how? Taking the risk of resurrecting
>> the
>> format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just how will
>> the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up to
>> reality?
>>
>> By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from wondering
>> offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file size allowed
>> on
>> this list!
>> Ray
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Angel"
>>
>>> Libraries give books for free because of their community obligation, not
>>> because of a human rite any may have. Have you tried to get the books
>>> you
>>> seek from sources like Audible.com. The people there have gone out of
>>> their
>>> way to make their site and books accessible to us. There is no rational
>>> explanation for stealing.
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Damon Rose"
>>>
>>>> Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a human
>>> right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for similar
>>> reasons, surely?
>>>>
>>>> What about classic books of our time, thos that are social commentaries
>>> such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
>>> parliance,
>>> using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a novel to
>>> shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a complicated
>>> concept
>>> that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
>>>>
>>>> Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
>>> technological and social zeitgeist.
>>>>
>>>> Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography Shooting
>>> History, for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain an
>>> awful
>>> lot of important and significant commentary and information.
>>>>
>>>> It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue to
>>>> make
>>> books inaccessible.
>>>>
>>>> I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so that they
>>> will continue to publish great books. I would like authors to benefit
>>> from
>>> my individual purchase. But if books are inaccessible then they kind of
>>> have to accept that we steal their texts.
>>>>
>>>> In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the first
>>> place, we're just steeling it bak again.
>>>>
>>>> ...Damon
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> Angel
>>>>
>>>> How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever you
>>>> want
>>> to read is a basic human rite. In which constitution does it say this?
>>> If
>>> you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
>>> software,
>>> or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits. Though
>>> basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being able to read
>>
>>> your favorite novel is not.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Damon"
>>
>>>> > Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
>>>> >
>>>> > I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read print.
>>>> >
>>>> > Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we can't
>>>> > really describe it as thievery. I'd describe it as taking something
>>>> > that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
>>>> >
>>>> > It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means. If you
>>>> > are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a human right,
>>>> > then
>>>> you
>>>> > have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
>>>> >
>>>> > ...Damon
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Angel"
>>>> >
>>>> > > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one must
>>>> > > resort
>>>> to
>>>> > > thievery.
>>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv shows on
>>>> > > BitTorrent. If the manufacturers and service providers of things
>>>> > > like
>>>> > TiVo
>>>> > > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible then
>>>> > > I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I can be part
>>>> > > of this
>>>> > here
>>>> > > society. Thank you. And yes I'd be happy to see what a courtroom
>>>> > > made
>>>> of
>>>> > > that too.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
>>>> > > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
>>>> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for pirating
>>>> > > > music
>>>> from
>>>> > > the Net. None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I am
>>>> > > forced
>>>> to
>>>> > > steal music instead. I'd like to go to court for that I think!
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > JT
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > > Damon Rose
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Here's another solution. Why don't we just all sue Apple? Or
>>>> > > > mail
>>>> them
>>>> > > in our droves? All the faffing around we have to do to gain a weeny
>>>> > > bit
>>>> > of
>>>> > > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really really
>>>> bugs
>>>> > > the hell out of me.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>
>>>
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