A delayed and partial response, In CA you need the specific license for the
respective activity,i.e. Fireworks license can not be used for rocket
activities and visa versa. To make matters worse you need a Class One
Rockets for liquids, Class 2 can only be used for solids but Class One is
good for both Solids and Liquids.
You need to possess the Class 2 for 5 years before graduating to the Class
One plus the respective 5 endorsements from qualified individuals..
CA loves to regulate everything. I believe once you're a reputable company
you no longer need a pyro license but I'm not positive so contact the State
Fire Marshal and/or look up the regs on line, which I believe Bill
suggested.
Yvone with the State Fire Marshal's offi\ce in Sacramento will help you -
916-568-2943
Ken - Class One Rockets Pyro Op.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:25 PM Ben Brockert <wikkit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Pyrotechnics Operator classes are a California thing. I know of no
other state that has the same setup. Many states do have some
restriction on who is allowed to fire commercial pyrotechnic displays,
with training given by the local fireworks distributor, but it's not
seen the same as aerospace development.
As far as I know no one in any of the companies I've been involved
with firing liquid rockets in Alaska, California, New Mexico, Texas,
Alabama, or Florida had any pyro certs. Many of them had been checked
out by the local fire brigade.
On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 5:23 AM <willsrw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
company need to have a Pyrotechnic Operator--Rockets Third Class license to
Hi
Could I get a point of clarification, does a commercial for profit
test or operate their product? What about commercial flight operations,
is a Pyro still needed? Also, is there a difference between the fireworks
license and the rocket license. Could someone give me a web site for
CalFire that discuss rocket operator licensing requirements and necessary
experience. I wonder if any other states will take this form of licensing.
northern shore of the Upper Peninsula outside of Marquette. At the North
Michigan is trying to set up a space port for vertical launches on the
American Space Summit (Traverse City, Oct 2020), I ask one of one of the
spaceport organizers about launcher qualifications, they hadn’t thought
that far yet. I look to other states to create a similar rocket licenses.
Spaceport America doesn’t require any specific operator qualifications but
they review each project on its own merits.
permission of the land owner. I lease land in Xenia Ohio to test our
In Ohio, to conduct liquid static test firings, you only need the
engines. The land owner requires I inform the local fire department (only
1.5 miles away). Everyone participating signs a wavier to be on the land
during operations. I stop by the fire station and discuss what we plan to
do a few days before the test shot. The firemen have been very receptive
so far.
Behalf Of Tyler Adkison
Take Care, Be Safe, and Stay Healthy,
Rick Wills
Huber Heights, Ohio
From: arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On
Sent: Friday, 22 January, 2021 6:30 PMinvestment group calling itself "Space Cowboys". No, I don't get it either.
To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AR] Re: Pythom Space safety concerns
Michael, as far as I can tell from their website, they got $500k from an
the media page, I couldn't help but feel a deep pain inside when I saw the
It looks like they might have a single mechanical engineer. Looking at
nitric acid setup.
sight.
https://www.pythomspace.com/media/images/space/330.png
https://www.pythomspace.com/media/images/space/331.png
Spectracide stump remover, concentrated sulfuric acid and no PPE in
but is Adobe Valley (Rocket Ranch) open for business? If so, it would be
Ken, that's much closer than I was expecting. I'll email you directly,
much closer for us than FAR. I've heard great things about it in its glory
days and would love to make fire there once again. We need to have a pyro
operator to supervise us while we work on gaining experience for our
logbooks.
rocketmaster.ken@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 3:06 PM roxanna Mason <
the Adobe Vally(rocket ranch) behind Mt. Hamilton.
Tyler, I'm in the Auburn foothills near Colfax. Also I'm part owner of
wrote:
Ken
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:26 PM Tyler Adkison <tyler.adkison@xxxxxxxxx>
video ASAP, preferably before someone makes a copy that could find itself
I wish them the best, but If I was them, I'd recommend taking down that
in the hands of future investors or CalFire. Drone footage is nice but it
is also possible to have just too much, and a gimbal is good investment for
handheld footage. It's also worthwhile considering how you want to present
your company image.
appreciate how there were technical details, but I agree that the safety
Keeping some of the safety procedures in is a great touch and I
procedures they were employing were insufficient.
Berkeley rocketry club and we are trying to get 2-3 members certified with
Finally, Ken, roughly which region of CA are you in? I'm part of a
Pyrotechnic Operator Rockets Class One licenses so we can start testing
closer to home, rather than having to bring everything to FAR. We are in
touch with CalFire, but are looking for local PyroOps who we can work with
and learn from. If you are interested or know other PyroOps in the Bay
Area, I'd love to know.
rocketmaster.ken@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 10:10 AM roxanna Mason <
Mojave and instantly thought they can do that, just judging from their work.
I don't think Randa sanctioned them, they may have met one time out at
masterpieces. It always looks easier than it really is.
Like going to a concert and seeing how 'easy' a musician performs his
At least with one gaseous propellant it's nearly impossible to fragment
They should start out with GOx and a hydrocarbon to get shock diamonds.
your TCA.
at a long distance.
Then build on your confidence locating a mentor wherever you can even if
hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ken
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 8:21 AM Henry Vanderbilt <
faux-portentious soundtrack, which I wish rocket teams would STOP DOING for
I watched the whole video, listening carefully (despite the awful
their vids as it's overdone to the point of obnoxiousness.)
using three-and-a-half liters nitric acid, four liters furfuryl acohol, at
RE the propellants involved, at 2:10 the checklist reader states "we are
250 psi".
general much-ado-about-little-visible-substance approach, and on a number
I am utterly unsurprised the Millirons are associated, both on the
of subtle style cues - let's just say that you get a feeling for these
things after enough decades on the scene.
deal of actual rocket expertise involved.
Looking at the website team listing, there does not seem to be a great
basic precautions against involuntary nitric acid showers, not to mention
Yes, if someone can persuade these people they want to take a few more
against breathing the orange cloud drifting (fortunately) up and away
after, it would be a good thing.
https://player.vimeo.com/video/500339036>
Henry
On 1/22/2021 8:31 AM, David Spain wrote:
On 1/21/2021 8:49 PM, George Herbert wrote:
See: https://player.vimeo.com/video/500339036 ;<
And https://pythomspace.comhypergolic rocket motor
They’re in Bishop, California doing a currently small WFNA/something
consultation with friends at Interorbital (para 9):
I did a little sleuthing off their website. Here they mention
https://www.pythom.com/ps/Pythomspace-First-Hot-Test-Hell-Yeah-2021-01-15-27998
which is powered by WFNA and turpentine.
Now over at the Interorbital website, they mention their Neptune rocket
Here para-4:here.
https://www.interorbital.com/Launch%20Vehicles
I doubt that the information about Interorbital is news to the regulars
values on what I would presume are nitrogen tanks, with the silver
Also see the video above at 01:52 one of the team opening pressure
(stainless steel?) tanks behind them presumably containing fuel and
oxidizer. There is also a point in the video at 2:03 showing a team member
adding what I presume is a reactant from a step ladder to an opening at the
top of the trailer. Note also from the 01:52 video still, the feed lines
running from the roof of the trailer into the silver tanks. Since nitrogen
valves are also mentioned in the video. So I'm willing to make a (small)
wager that they are using a pressure fed GN2 with WFNA/Turpentine engine.
para 13.
As per lack of shock diamonds, they mention that in the above link in
So George, I hope you are able to reach them sooner rather than later.
5... 3... 4... 2... 1...
Dave
