[AR] Re: Swagelok and LOX

  • From: Robert Watzlavick <rocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 20:55:42 -0500

My entire LOX/kerosene test stand uses Swagelok brass and stainless NPT fittings, mostly 3/8 and 1/2 inch tube sizes.  I clean them as you would normally for oxygen use and use a couple wraps of PTFE tape on the NPT ends.  They are generally very reliable and you can get them much cheaper on eBay (new) if you look around a bit. Occasionally I've had a leak at the NPT end, usually when the mating part has crappy female threads.  The tube nut ends only leak when I forget to tighten them down after maintenance.

-Bob

On 3/27/20 8:01 PM, Jonathan Goff wrote:

I can't remember if we used Swageloks for much while I was at Masten, but here at Altius we've used them a lot for LN2 where we're doing fairly sensitive vacuum leak testing of various cryogenic couplers, swivels, etc.

~Jon

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 6:24 PM Anthony Cesaroni <anthony@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:anthony@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    We have used Swagelok extensively with LOX and HTP for small
    diameters. I can’t think of any examples where we used NPT
    fittings with sealants of any kind with those oxidizers. There are
    a few examples where test points were sealed with PTFE tape and
    NPT fittings but nothing for delivery come to mind. There are some
    rocket plumbers on this list that do this more routinely than I do
    nowadays.

    Anthony J. Cesaroni

    President/CEO

    Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace

    http://www.cesaronitech.com/

    (941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota

    (905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto

    *From:* arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    <arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> *On Behalf Of *Rick Wills
    *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 8:04 PM
    *To:* arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [AR] Swagelok and LOX

    Hi

    Has anyone on the list used Swagelok compression fittings in
    service with LOX (3/4 or 1 in)? I’ve used AN (37 deg flare) and
    NPT fittings successfully for LOX. NPT fittings are wrapped with
    PTFE tape.  My entire LOX side on my test stand is all AN expect
    for the NPT adapters used on the main LOX valve and LOX load
    valve.  Any LOX experience with any other brand of compression
    fittings (Parker, etc).   I’m looking at changing the stand
    plumbing and am considering Swagelok.  Check out our Facebook page
    https://www.facebook.com/midwestpropulsiongroup to see the stand
    in action.

    The Army missile spec forbids NPT fittings.  Most likely reason is
    they could vibrate loose.    I’ve seem amateur liquid systems
    using NPT  fittings successfully.  Any advice would be
    appreciated.  On my first test stand, I welded the NPT fittings
    together.  It worked but looked pretty bad.  An A&P I know
    suggested safety wiring the NPTs so they would come loose.  That
    is a lot of work.

    I’m lucky.  My outbuilding is also my rocket workshop.  When I
    want to escape I run out back for a few hours.   Thanks and
    everyone take care.

    Be Safe,

    Rick Wills

    Huber Heights, Ohio


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