[AR] Re: relativity abandons small launch vehicle

  • From: "Jake Anderson" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ("jake")
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 10:40:05 +1000

I have a feeling someone (perhaps SpaceX) will make a high performance "upper stage" for starship.
"Old school" rocketry style probably H2/O2  maximal mass fraction kinda deal.
Take the relatively benign ride up to LEO for minimal $ on a starship then do a whole mess of plane changes etc and kick out ride share passengers along the way into pretty much whatever orbits they want.
Or strap deep space payloads to the top of it and get to Jupiter in less than a decade.
(I have the feeling the latter payloads are what would fund the development)

Some back of the envelope numbers, assuming the cargo stretched version of starship exists you have a payload volume (for the cylindrical part only, ex the nose cone) of 8m diam x 20m long. Thats 1000 cubic meters.
At 70kg/cubic meter that's 70 tonnes of hydrogen in LEO. Add 11 tonnes of oxygen for a 6:1 ratio and you have 81 tonnes of propellant.
At 95% mass fraction (because why not, we are dreaming and starting in LEO means we can cheat) and an ISP of 450, you have 13.5Km/s to play with there.

Add a 20Tonne payload and you're at 6.5Km/s. That's a lot of ride share satellites in a lot of orbits.

LEO really is half way to anywhere lol especially if it's cheap.

On 17/04/2023 3:52 pm, Bill Bruner wrote:

A Transporter style rack on Starship will threaten the business models for all of the expendable and partially expendable artillery rockets - whether they are small, medium or large.

"Threaten" might be an understatement.

B

On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 7:39 PM Henry Spencer <hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, James Fackert wrote:
    > The small launcher market seems to be much smaller and less
    lucrative
    > than projections indicated.

    Much will depend on whether SpaceX stays in the ride-share
    market.  A lot
    of the forecast small-launch demand is going there instead. If they
    decide that it's too much trouble for too little return -- and it
    wouldn't
    be the first time they've abandoned the small-payload market! --
    that will
    change things.

    Saturday morning's Transporter launch on Falcon 9 carried fifty small
    payloads plus one more sizable one -- maybe a dozen small launches
    worth
    of small payloads.  (Not fifty because some of them were packaged
    together
    or had other reasons for going up together, e.g. the three Hawks
    operate
    as a three-satellite formation and needed to start in the same orbit.)

    Mind you, I also agree with Jim that the market is not as big or as
    lucrative as some people thought, at least not at current
    small-launch
    prices.

    Henry

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