The Chinese balloons first violated US air space so were fair game.
Ken
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 1:32 PM whitney bayourat.com <whitney@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Interesting, So when the United States secretly recovered the Soviet
submarine K-129. They did so breaking international law? I wonder how that
applies to spy balloons? Did the recovery of the Chinese spy balloon break
international law as well? The fact that SpaceX admittingly said the rocket
may not survive and had no plans in place for superheavy booster recovery.
Would that be construed as throwing it away? Jetsam?
Whit
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Subject: [AR] Re: starship abort?
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023, Ben Brockert wrote:
Citation needed.
"Salvage Law for Outer Space", Wayne N. White Jr., Proceedings of Space 92
(Engineering, Construction, and Operations in Space III, ASCE 1992; vol.
2, p. 2412).
This is a debris-generating attempted space launch, not a cargo ship
lightening their load. And even if it was, the finder of jetsam “is
not required to return them to their rightful owner except...
Correct. A ship lightening its load is *abandoning* the stuff it throws
overboard. That's jetsam. The rules for it are, more or less, "finders
keepers". But that's not what we're talking about here.
Stuff lost *accidentally* is flotsam, not jetsam. It's not abandoned
unless the owner explicitly says so. (You don't get to *infer* that it's
been abandoned except in some fairly extreme situations.) This is a very
different case that follows entirely different rules. It *doesn't* become
yours just because you found it, any more than your wallet becomes legally
mine if it accidentally falls out of your pocket and I pick it up. (Not
even if it happened because your pocket suffered a catastrophic structural
failure!)
There *is* a bit of a lingering question mark because it was a space
launch. Maritime law doesn't automatically read over to space. But any
result of that uncertainty probably goes the other way, further
strengthening the case for continued ownership by the original owner.
"Ownership of objects launched into outer space, including objects landed
or constructed on a celestial body, and of their component parts, is not
affected by their presence in outer space or on a celestial body or by
their return to the Earth." -- Outer Space Treaty.
Henry