[gps-talkusers] Re: Sendero Seeing I App to follow by example.
- From: Ilkka Pirttimaa <ilkka.pirttimaa@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:55:50 +0200
Alex, you are exactly right. VoiceOver is screen reading technology and you
can't read screen when screen is locked or app is on background.
For that kind of need best way might be to use local notifications. Thank
you Alex for pointing out this importand need, I'll consider adding this as
a feature to BlindSquare. I already have many deafblind customers but this
would increase possibilities how they can use it.
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Exactly. While background speech would be great for the Sendero app, it
> would be just that, speech. The main advantage to iOS7's voices is that
> apps don't need to bundle their own voices, meaning that app sizes can be
> reduced considerably. I'm not knocking the features, I'm just pointing out
> that it is not full Voiceover but rather the same voices that Voiceover
> uses.
>
> On Nov 22, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kawal_g@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
> So does this mean if this was done by Sendero Group, there could be no
> Braille support because Voice Over wasn't doing it? So you got automatic
> anouncements with screen locked but no Braille although you couldn't use
> braille with screen locked.
>
> Kawal.
>
> Sent from my I phone
>
> On 22 Nov 2013, at 02:33 pm, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Here's the thing: yes, the speech is the same, since Apple now lets apps
> speak with iOS voices. However, it is not actually Voiceover doing the
> speaking. The consequences of this are most felt by those with braille:
> there is still no way to use an app like Blindsquare with the phone locked
> and while using a braille display. Technically, the only thing iOS7 lets
> apps do now is send text to a synthesizer, it has nothing to do with
> Voiceover itself. So, while it does sound like Voiceover, it isn't. Again,
> the main drawback is lack of braille support.
> On Nov 22, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa <ilkka.pirttimaa@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Kawal, you asked me to join the discussion so here I am :-)
>
> Yes, Apple opened SDK to produce speech on iOS7. Since I have BlindSquare
> users who has also iOS5 or iOS6 and I also support languages that Apple
> doesn't have, I have support both for iOS voices and Acapela. So, even iOS7
> users can still use Acapela voices if they prefer to do so.
>
> This indeed would allow Seeing Eye to implement background operation on
> iOS7 devices. There is also another way to do it even with iOS5 and iOS6 by
> sending local notifications. Since voiceover reads push notifications, also
> local apps can cause phone to speak those. I have seen some apps doing
> that, but user experience is much worse than having an app that has full
> control what is spoken and when.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kawal_g@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> As of 21st November, Blind Square is now using IOS default voices. This
>> is confirmed in what's new if you look in your updated App list in the App
>> Store if you have Blind Square installed. I know the dchveloper is on this
>> list and no doubt he will write and confirm. So I'm afraid Chris Sendero
>> theeeing I app will have to follow suit!
>>
>> Kawal.
>>
>> Sent from my I phone
>>
>> On 22 Nov 2013, at 09:11 am, Chris Grabowski <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://audioboo.fm/boos/1742247-blindsqare-news-podcast-2-for-release-1-52
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kawal Gucukoglu <kawal_g@xxxxxx>
>> To: "gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:03:43 +0000
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Sendero Seeing I App to follow by example.
>>
>> Not if you have the update as you will see if you download it.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my I phone
>>
>>
>> On 22 Nov 2013, at 09:01 am, Chris Grabowski <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Technically it isn't VoiceOver thats speaking using Blindsquare, they are
>> generating their own tts messages and have been doing so for a long time.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Kawal Gucukoglu <kawal_g@xxxxxx>
>>
>> To: "gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:53:17 +0000
>>
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Sendero Seeing I App to follow by example.
>>
>>
>> Hello.
>>
>>
>> Whilst I'm waiting forthe Seeing I App to come out in the UK, I am having
>> to use Blind Square. So today, I discovered that Voice Over was speaking
>> automatically withthe screen locked. So I am really hoping that by the time
>> I get The Seeing I app, one can lock the screen andthe Seeing I app can
>> announce things with the screen locked and thus saving battery life.
>>
>>
>> Kawal.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my I phone
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