[gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide

  • From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>
  • To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:50:36 -0400

I am using stereo headphones plugged into my speakers, which are in turn being given audio from an integrated, generic sound card. I found a helicopter recording that tried to replicate going behind me, but it just sounded kind of odd during that part and there was a sort of stumble in the sound as it passed "directly behind me". 


Have a great day,
Alex


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:03:04 -0700
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide
I haven't seen many consumer solutions that do much better than 
you suggest.
Specialized installations and recordings though I've heard of 
good enough
quality they can trick the ear nicely. I used to have a match 
strike that
was frightening it sounded so real. If I find it I'll forward to 
you off

list.
I'm also assuming you're using good quality listening 
hardware.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:36 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide
I just found some samples of it online, and they sounded like 
stereo
recordings that were a bit muffled. I am not sure I see the 
difference;
the explanation made sense, but the playback seems just like 
stereo except

at a worse quality.



Have a great day,
Alex



----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:13:10 -0700
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide



It's more complex on the record side.  Playback usually can be

done with

standard stereo two channel systems.  (that's sort of the point

to generate

3D with 2 channels)  SRS is another method that's somewhat

successful.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 7:42 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide




How much equipment does it take to make this, or are you talking

about

just stereo balance? Sound games give you sounds of enemies and

obstacles

at any point in a 180 degree arc in front of you from ear to

ear.  Is this

the same thing, or a lot more complex?



Have a great day,
Alex



----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:29:54 -0700
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide



The brain works holographically.  Holographic vision uses lasers

and beam

splitters one reference beam and a carrier that when they

interfear

translate that phase information in to 3D images in space.

(Think rides at

amusement parks with ghosts and such or that mark on your ID)
   Sound uses different recording processes to simulate 3D sound

with a

finite number of transducers mainly headphones.  (I've seen it

done fairly

well with one audio channel)  There are also exotic ultrasonic

sound

compression systems but basically the game is to trick the ear in

to think

it's hearing a point source somewhere in 3d space, for example my

voice out

in front of you or the voice of your GPS device in 3d space in

the direction

you need to turn.  A good example of this would be the President

Lincoln

interactive show at the house of mouse.;)  The fly flying around

your head

is shockingly good, to the point where I was tricked in to

feeling the air

from it's wings as it lighted on the side of my face.  Really

really

convincing!



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:48 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide




And holographic sound processing would be...  Sounds cool, but I

have no

clue what it is.



Have a great day,
Alex



----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:28:15 -0700
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide



I'd actually like to do something with holographic sound

processing but

again usability is the thing.  I keep thinking though that

glasses are a

good platform that hasn't been explored enough.  Oh and I'm with

you

although I'd rather have a digital interface so I could plug in

devices,

mixing data and displays over environmental vision for example.

Stem cells

would rock though, I'm there for either option.  As I've said in

the past,

my grey matter is available for really cheap for anyone with a

decent test

plan.;)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:17 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide




I'm trying to imagine something vibrating on my head as I'm

wearing

glasses.  Kind of reminds me of the FSRS.  You can read more

about it at:



http://www.eyeplus2.com/FRSIndex.html




From experience, this system is not really all that conducive to

travel.

As for having something constantly beeping in my ear, that would

drive me

insane.  Imagine listening to something that sounds like a truck

backingup

everytime you were approaching somethihng.  This reminds me of

the whole

concept of seeing with sound, which to me while seemingly a good

idea,

really isn't conducive to travel either.  I thiknk I'll wait

until stem

cell technology gets good enough for me to regrow my eyes

thanks.  Until

then, I'll just rely on my cane skills and my awesome sendero

GPS.



Best Regards:
David Wright



Email: dwrigh6@xxxxxxx
Mobile: 832-518-0707



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide




I wish you could mount that on glasses!  Have them either vibrate

or beep

in your ear.  Leave the hands out of it!



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:44 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide




Question: how can you operate a cane/dog, gps/bn, and mini guide

all at

the same time? I had a hard enough time with just the cane and

mini

guide, but I was amazed when I had an opportunity to use the

mini guide

(a device like it anyway).  I avoided countless collisions with

people

in a very crowded school that my cane would not have picked up

because

of how short I have to hold the cane in those crowds.  I have

just not

had the money to get a mini guide, plus I have found my cane to

be quite

sufficient...  until I run into something (figuratively and

literally)

where I realize that one of those magic Milky Way bars (as

another

poster put it) would have been quite handy.
Also, for those interested, the device sends out an ultrasonic

beam from

one of the two front ports.  The other port senses the

reflection of

that beam and sends the strength of the reflection to a

processor which

tells the vibrating motor how fast to go (in my case it used

pulses; the

closer together the pulses were, the closer the object).



Have a great day,
Alex



----- Original Message -----
From: Wendy Slominsky <wendyslominsky@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: "gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:57:52 -0400
Subject: [gps-talkusers] The mini guide



This is what I use as well.  The GPS can only be as accurate as

is

humanly possible and it will not help you find anything that
specifically.  The mini guide has saved me many times trying to

find

poles, benches etc.
It's thankfully not too expensive.  www.senderogroup.com
Good luck!

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