If you find the "match strike" recording, I'd like a copy as well. The Lord bless you, Charles Couey Preaching and Music Evangelist, & Mission Service Corps missionary National Consultant for Blind Ministries North American Mission Board Southern Baptist Convention 246 Thuss Avenue Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-6098 home phone 615-400-5207 cellular phone BroCharles@xxxxxxxxxxxxx e-mail -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:03 PM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide I haven't seen many consumer solutions that do much better than you suggest. Specialized installations and recordings though I've heard of good enough quality they can trick the ear nicely. I used to have a match strike that was frightening it sounded so real. If I find it I'll forward to you off list. I'm also assuming you're using good quality listening hardware. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide >I just found some samples of it online, and they sounded like stereo >recordings that were a bit muffled. I am not sure I see the difference; >the explanation made sense, but the playback seems just like stereo except >at a worse quality. > > Have a great day, > Alex > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx >>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:13:10 -0700 >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide > >>It's more complex on the record side. Playback usually can be > done with >>standard stereo two channel systems. (that's sort of the point > to generate >>3D with 2 channels) SRS is another method that's somewhat > successful. > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx >>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 7:42 AM >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide > > >>> How much equipment does it take to make this, or are you talking > about >>> just stereo balance? Sound games give you sounds of enemies and > obstacles >>> at any point in a 180 degree arc in front of you from ear to > ear. Is this >>> the same thing, or a lot more complex? > >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:29:54 -0700 >>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide > >>>>The brain works holographically. Holographic vision uses lasers >>> and beam >>>>splitters one reference beam and a carrier that when they >>> interfear >>>>translate that phase information in to 3D images in space. >>> (Think rides at >>>>amusement parks with ghosts and such or that mark on your ID) >>>> Sound uses different recording processes to simulate 3D sound >>> with a >>>>finite number of transducers mainly headphones. (I've seen it >>> done fairly >>>>well with one audio channel) There are also exotic ultrasonic >>> sound >>>>compression systems but basically the game is to trick the ear in >>> to think >>>>it's hearing a point source somewhere in 3d space, for example my >>> voice out >>>>in front of you or the voice of your GPS device in 3d space in >>> the direction >>>>you need to turn. A good example of this would be the President >>> Lincoln >>>>interactive show at the house of mouse.;) The fly flying around >>> your head >>>>is shockingly good, to the point where I was tricked in to >>> feeling the air >>>>from it's wings as it lighted on the side of my face. Really >>> really >>>>convincing! > >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx >>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:48 AM >>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide > > >>>>> And holographic sound processing would be... Sounds cool, but I >>> have no >>>>> clue what it is. > >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:28:15 -0700 >>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide > >>>>>>I'd actually like to do something with holographic sound >>>>> processing but >>>>>>again usability is the thing. I keep thinking though that >>>>> glasses are a >>>>>>good platform that hasn't been explored enough. Oh and I'm with >>>>> you >>>>>>although I'd rather have a digital interface so I could plug in >>>>> devices, >>>>>>mixing data and displays over environmental vision for example. >>>>> Stem cells >>>>>>would rock though, I'm there for either option. As I've said in >>>>> the past, >>>>>>my grey matter is available for really cheap for anyone with a >>>>> decent test >>>>>>plan.;) > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:17 AM >>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide > > >>>>>>> I'm trying to imagine something vibrating on my head as I'm >>>>> wearing >>>>>>> glasses. Kind of reminds me of the FSRS. You can read more >>>>> about it at: > >>>>>>> http://www.eyeplus2.com/FRSIndex.html > > >>>>>>> From experience, this system is not really all that conducive to >>>>> travel. >>>>>>> As for having something constantly beeping in my ear, that would >>>>> drive me >>>>>>> insane. Imagine listening to something that sounds like a truck >>>>> backingup >>>>>>> everytime you were approaching somethihng. This reminds me of >>>>> the whole >>>>>>> concept of seeing with sound, which to me while seemingly a good >>>>> idea, >>>>>>> really isn't conducive to travel either. I thiknk I'll wait >>>>> until stem >>>>>>> cell technology gets good enough for me to regrow my eyes >>>>> thanks. Until >>>>>>> then, I'll just rely on my cane skills and my awesome sendero >>>>> GPS. > >>>>>>> Best Regards: >>>>>>> David Wright > >>>>>>> Email: dwrigh6@xxxxxxx >>>>>>> Mobile: 832-518-0707 > >>>>>>> http://www.knfbreader.com >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:05 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide > > >>>>>>>>I wish you could mount that on glasses! Have them either vibrate >>>>> or beep >>>>>>>>in your ear. Leave the hands out of it! > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx >>>>>>>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:44 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: The mini guide > > >>>>>>>>> Question: how can you operate a cane/dog, gps/bn, and mini guide >>>>> all at >>>>>>>>> the same time? I had a hard enough time with just the cane and >>>>> mini >>>>>>>>> guide, but I was amazed when I had an opportunity to use the >>>>> mini guide >>>>>>>>> (a device like it anyway). I avoided countless collisions with >>>>> people >>>>>>>>> in a very crowded school that my cane would not have picked up >>>>> because >>>>>>>>> of how short I have to hold the cane in those crowds. I have >>>>> just not >>>>>>>>> had the money to get a mini guide, plus I have found my cane to >>>>> be quite >>>>>>>>> sufficient... until I run into something (figuratively and >>>>> literally) >>>>>>>>> where I realize that one of those magic Milky Way bars (as >>>>> another >>>>>>>>> poster put it) would have been quite handy. >>>>>>>>> Also, for those interested, the device sends out an ultrasonic >>>>> beam from >>>>>>>>> one of the two front ports. The other port senses the >>>>> reflection of >>>>>>>>> that beam and sends the strength of the reflection to a >>>>> processor which >>>>>>>>> tells the vibrating motor how fast to go (in my case it used >>>>> pulses; the >>>>>>>>> closer together the pulses were, the closer the object). > >>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>> Alex > >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>From: Wendy Slominsky <wendyslominsky@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>To: "gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:57:52 -0400 >>>>>>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] The mini guide > >>>>>>>>>>This is what I use as well. The GPS can only be as accurate as >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>humanly possible and it will not help you find anything that >>>>>>>>>>specifically. The mini guide has saved me many times trying to >>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>poles, benches etc. >>>>>>>>>>It's thankfully not too expensive. www.senderogroup.com >>>>>>>>>>Good luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >