[gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
- From: "DJ" <grouloc@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:03:01 -0400
It might be helpful if folks take note of how address numbering works in
their cities or towns. For example, in my city, all even street numbers are
on the west or south side of the street, and all odd numbers are on the east
or north side of the street. Knowing this, I can determine ahead of time,
or at least at the corner of the destinations street, which side of the
street I want to be on and cross at the corner if necessary.
I hope that made sense.
DJ
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Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
Also, all the address and pois come off the center line of the street so
seeing eye does not get what side of the street the poi is on. Thus you
need to understand the odd and even numbers of an address and then you will
know what side of the street you need to be on. Come on now folks how
would you figer it out if you would were using a stick and or guide dog
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[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holmes, Nicole
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Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
Hi Sofia and all,
It is important to be one step ahead of your GPS and to check the route
details.
That is, you should be aware of the turn you need to make following the one
your GPS has told you about in order to determine whether or not to cross at
the upcoming intersection. For instance, if the GPS asks you to turn left
onto "x" street, you should check whether the turn onto "y" street is left
or right. If it is a left turn then you do not need to cross, but if it is
right then you need to consider crossing. Obviously you would then use your
O and M skills to determine the most appropriate place to cross the street.
Regards,
Nicole
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[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 PM
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Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
I did notice some of the routes had a lot of turns, but that doesn't bother
me.
I have had trouble figuring out if I should turn before or after crossing a
street. For example, if the GPS says 'turn right on 74th street" in nyc, you
couldd turn on that street and then cross or you could cross thann turn
right. These are different sides of a block, vut the street mame is the
same.
Any tips on how to deal with this? Has anyone else experienced this?
(i know GPS isn't perfect so this may be one of those times when making an
educated guess may be the only optiom).
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> On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Armando Maldonado" <
<mailto:armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx> armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
> Well said Mike, it's always good to have both the new and the old combined
when it comes to travel. I try not to rely on such but whenever I travel I
would do the Virtual explore route and maybe turn on the GPS if I feel I am
lost, just for orientation purposes only.
>
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> Kelly,
>
> Here is how it works. The map data is structured such that each street is
classified by the map data provider such as residential, arterial, highway
and so forth. The route calculation then uses those classifications to
figure out pedestrian verses a vehicle route. I have found situations where
a route wasn't used as pedestrian because the road was considered a highway,
like highway 99, which would be a highway outside of town but it is Main
street in town and quite crossable. Other times, the reverse is true.
>
> If you have any of the other Sendero products, you can see the
classification of every street. Sendero has no control over these
classifications. Hence all the disclaimers that tell you not to trust the
data or the GPS signals. Proceed with caution!
>
> There are stories about how someone drove their car into a river because
the GPS directed them that way. I hope most users are more skeptical than
that and use the technology with common sense.
>
> Mike
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> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
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> I'm glad this topic was raised. Living in a big city that strictly
follows a grid street design, I have noticed that the Seeing Eye GPS app
suggests pedestrian routes that an independent blind traveler would never
take. It seems the Seeing Eye app offers the shortest route possible. This
often results in routes that take many turns or ones that require the blind
traveler crossing streets without traffic controlled intersections. For
example, I was walking from the Rockwell brown Line L station in Chicago at
4648 N. Rockwell to the Lincoln Square location of the Crossfit Defined gym
at 2750 W.
> Lawrence. The Seeing Eye app wanted me to go north to Leland, west to
Talman and then cross busy Lawrence. There is no traffic light at Talman.
Instead, I chose to go on Rockwell north to Lawrence and cross at the
traffic light and then go west to my address. The entire trip is only three
tenths of a mile.
>
> A similar situation happened this week when I wanted to travel from my
> office at Washington and Dearborn in Chicago to the Industrious shared
> work space at 320 W. Ohio. This is a distance of one mile. The
> seeing Eye app told me to go north on Dearborn to Wacker Drive, go one
> block west to Clark street then go north to Hubbard Street. On
> Hubbard, I would walk just a few hundred feet to Wells Street. Then,
> the app wanted me to go north on Wells Street and then to take a left
> turn on Grand Avenue. I then needed to take a right turn when I
> reached Franklin Street so I was going north again. Then only after
> 290 feet, I finally turn left going west on Ohio street to my address.
> An independent blind traveler would simply go north on Dearborn or Clark
to Ohio and then west to the address.
>
> These routes were created using Tom tom maps. It is perplexing to me why a
travel aid for the blind would create such complex pedestrian routes going
short distances. There are full sidewalks on Rockwell and all the way up
Dearborn and Clark streets. The many turns and avoidance of traffic lights
does not make sense. With Apple maps, the end user is often given three
choices of routes to take, each with a different set of priorities. One
route may favor major streets.
> Another may have the shortest distance or travel time. Another may offer
the fewest turns. With the Seeing Eye, GPS the end user has no choice.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
>> On 7/8/14, Sofia Gallo < <mailto:sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx>
sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> So I've noticed that most of the threads discuss using GPS while in a
>> car or paratransit service, so I figured I would start a discussion
>> for those who use the app mostly for walking routes.
>>
>> Any experiences, tips or suggestions to share?
>>
>> I recently started using the app in NYC, and it is extremely
>> accurate, even with the tall buildings.
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