[gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
- From: Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:03:07 -0400
And George -- no need for the attitude. I was just asking in case amyone had
tips -- I realize GPS can't do everything which is why I asked for ideas.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:37 PM, "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Also, all the address and pois come off the center line of the street so
> seeing eye does not get what side of the street the poi is on. Thus you need
> to understand the odd and even numbers of an address and then you will know
> what side of the street you need to be on. Come on now folks how would you
> figer it out if you would were using a stick and or guide dog
>
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holmes, Nicole
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 19:30
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> Hi Sofia and all,
> It is important to be one step ahead of your GPS and to check the route
> details.
> That is, you should be aware of the turn you need to make following the one
> your GPS has told you about in order to determine whether or not to cross at
> the upcoming intersection. For instance, if the GPS asks you to turn left
> onto "x" street, you should check whether the turn onto "y" street is left or
> right. If it is a left turn then you do not need to cross, but if it is right
> then you need to consider crossing. Obviously you would then use your O and M
> skills to determine the most appropriate place to cross the street.
>
> Regards,
> Nicole
>
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> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
> Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 PM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> I did notice some of the routes had a lot of turns, but that doesn't bother
> me.
>
> I have had trouble figuring out if I should turn before or after crossing a
> street. For example, if the GPS says 'turn right on 74th street" in nyc, you
> couldd turn on that street and then cross or you could cross thann turn
> right. These are different sides of a block, vut the street mame is the same.
>
> Any tips on how to deal with this? Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> (i know GPS isn't perfect so this may be one of those times when making an
> educated guess may be the only optiom).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Armando Maldonado"
> > <armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Well said Mike, it's always good to have both the new and the old combined
> > when it comes to travel. I try not to rely on such but whenever I travel I
> > would do the Virtual explore route and maybe turn on the GPS if I feel I am
> > lost, just for orientation purposes only.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael May
> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:13 PM
> > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
> >
> > Kelly,
> >
> > Here is how it works. The map data is structured such that each street is
> > classified by the map data provider such as residential, arterial, highway
> > and so forth. The route calculation then uses those classifications to
> > figure out pedestrian verses a vehicle route. I have found situations where
> > a route wasn't used as pedestrian because the road was considered a
> > highway, like highway 99, which would be a highway outside of town but it
> > is Main street in town and quite crossable. Other times, the reverse is
> > true.
> >
> > If you have any of the other Sendero products, you can see the
> > classification of every street. Sendero has no control over these
> > classifications. Hence all the disclaimers that tell you not to trust the
> > data or the GPS signals. Proceed with caution!
> >
> > There are stories about how someone drove their car into a river because
> > the GPS directed them that way. I hope most users are more skeptical than
> > that and use the technology with common sense.
> >
> > Mike
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:42 PM
> > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
> >
> > I’m glad this topic was raised. Living in a big city that strictly follows
> > a grid street design, I have noticed that the Seeing Eye GPS app suggests
> > pedestrian routes that an independent blind traveler would never take. It
> > seems the Seeing Eye app offers the shortest route possible. This often
> > results in routes that take many turns or ones that require the blind
> > traveler crossing streets without traffic controlled intersections. For
> > example, I was walking from the Rockwell brown Line L station in Chicago at
> > 4648 N. Rockwell to the Lincoln Square location of the Crossfit Defined gym
> > at 2750 W.
> > Lawrence. The Seeing Eye app wanted me to go north to Leland, west to
> > Talman and then cross busy Lawrence. There is no traffic light at Talman.
> > Instead, I chose to go on Rockwell north to Lawrence and cross at the
> > traffic light and then go west to my address. The entire trip is only
> > three tenths of a mile.
> >
> > A similar situation happened this week when I wanted to travel from my
> > office at Washington and Dearborn in Chicago to the Industrious shared
> > work space at 320 W. Ohio. This is a distance of one mile. The
> > seeing Eye app told me to go north on Dearborn to Wacker Drive, go one
> > block west to Clark street then go north to Hubbard Street. On
> > Hubbard, I would walk just a few hundred feet to Wells Street. Then,
> > the app wanted me to go north on Wells Street and then to take a left
> > turn on Grand Avenue. I then needed to take a right turn when I
> > reached Franklin Street so I was going north again. Then only after
> > 290 feet, I finally turn left going west on Ohio street to my address.
> > An independent blind traveler would simply go north on Dearborn or Clark to
> > Ohio and then west to the address.
> >
> > These routes were created using Tom tom maps. It is perplexing to me why a
> > travel aid for the blind would create such complex pedestrian routes going
> > short distances. There are full sidewalks on Rockwell and all the way up
> > Dearborn and Clark streets. The many turns and avoidance of traffic lights
> > does not make sense. With Apple maps, the end user is often given three
> > choices of routes to take, each with a different set of priorities. One
> > route may favor major streets.
> > Another may have the shortest distance or travel time. Another may offer
> > the fewest turns. With the Seeing Eye, GPS the end user has no choice.
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 7/8/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> So I've noticed that most of the threads discuss using GPS while in a
> >> car or paratransit service, so I figured I would start a discussion
> >> for those who use the app mostly for walking routes.
> >>
> >> Any experiences, tips or suggestions to share?
> >>
> >> I recently started using the app in NYC, and it is extremely
> >> accurate, even with the tall buildings.
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