[gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
- From: Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:27:26 -0400
Thanks DJ -- that is always a good O&M skill. I was referring to
George's "come now" attitude -- I was essentially just asking Taylor's
question.
On 7/10/14, DJ <grouloc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Right. I was hoping to clearify.
>
> DJ
>
> _____
>
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George B
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:14 PM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
>
> This is what I was saying and you need to know this about your area your in
> to navigate skillfully.
>
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DJ
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 20:03
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> It might be helpful if folks take note of how address numbering works in
> their cities or towns. For example, in my city, all even street numbers
> are
> on the west or south side of the street, and all odd numbers are on the
> east
> or north side of the street. Knowing this, I can determine ahead of time,
> or at least at the corner of the destinations street, which side of the
> street I want to be on and cross at the corner if necessary.
>
> I hope that made sense.
>
> DJ
>
> _____
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> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George B
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:37 PM
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> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
> Also, all the address and pois come off the center line of the street so
> seeing eye does not get what side of the street the poi is on. Thus you
> need to understand the odd and even numbers of an address and then you will
> know what side of the street you need to be on. Come on now folks how
> would you figer it out if you would were using a stick and or guide dog
>
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> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holmes, Nicole
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 19:30
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> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> Hi Sofia and all,
> It is important to be one step ahead of your GPS and to check the route
> details.
> That is, you should be aware of the turn you need to make following the one
> your GPS has told you about in order to determine whether or not to cross
> at
> the upcoming intersection. For instance, if the GPS asks you to turn left
> onto "x" street, you should check whether the turn onto "y" street is left
> or right. If it is a left turn then you do not need to cross, but if it is
> right then you need to consider crossing. Obviously you would then use your
> O and M skills to determine the most appropriate place to cross the street.
>
> Regards,
> Nicole
>
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> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
> Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 PM
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> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> I did notice some of the routes had a lot of turns, but that doesn't bother
> me.
>
> I have had trouble figuring out if I should turn before or after crossing a
> street. For example, if the GPS says 'turn right on 74th street" in nyc,
> you
> couldd turn on that street and then cross or you could cross thann turn
> right. These are different sides of a block, vut the street mame is the
> same.
>
> Any tips on how to deal with this? Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> (i know GPS isn't perfect so this may be one of those times when making an
> educated guess may be the only optiom).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Armando Maldonado" <
> <mailto:armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx> armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> Well said Mike, it's always good to have both the new and the old
>> combined
> when it comes to travel. I try not to rely on such but whenever I travel I
> would do the Virtual explore route and maybe turn on the GPS if I feel I am
> lost, just for orientation purposes only.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>
>> Kelly,
>>
>> Here is how it works. The map data is structured such that each street is
> classified by the map data provider such as residential, arterial, highway
> and so forth. The route calculation then uses those classifications to
> figure out pedestrian verses a vehicle route. I have found situations where
> a route wasn't used as pedestrian because the road was considered a
> highway,
> like highway 99, which would be a highway outside of town but it is Main
> street in town and quite crossable. Other times, the reverse is true.
>>
>> If you have any of the other Sendero products, you can see the
> classification of every street. Sendero has no control over these
> classifications. Hence all the disclaimers that tell you not to trust the
> data or the GPS signals. Proceed with caution!
>>
>> There are stories about how someone drove their car into a river because
> the GPS directed them that way. I hope most users are more skeptical than
> that and use the technology with common sense.
>>
>> Mike
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>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>
>> I'm glad this topic was raised. Living in a big city that strictly
> follows a grid street design, I have noticed that the Seeing Eye GPS app
> suggests pedestrian routes that an independent blind traveler would never
> take. It seems the Seeing Eye app offers the shortest route possible.
> This
> often results in routes that take many turns or ones that require the blind
> traveler crossing streets without traffic controlled intersections. For
> example, I was walking from the Rockwell brown Line L station in Chicago at
> 4648 N. Rockwell to the Lincoln Square location of the Crossfit Defined gym
> at 2750 W.
>> Lawrence. The Seeing Eye app wanted me to go north to Leland, west to
> Talman and then cross busy Lawrence. There is no traffic light at Talman.
> Instead, I chose to go on Rockwell north to Lawrence and cross at the
> traffic light and then go west to my address. The entire trip is only
> three
> tenths of a mile.
>>
>> A similar situation happened this week when I wanted to travel from my
>> office at Washington and Dearborn in Chicago to the Industrious shared
>> work space at 320 W. Ohio. This is a distance of one mile. The
>> seeing Eye app told me to go north on Dearborn to Wacker Drive, go one
>> block west to Clark street then go north to Hubbard Street. On
>> Hubbard, I would walk just a few hundred feet to Wells Street. Then,
>> the app wanted me to go north on Wells Street and then to take a left
>> turn on Grand Avenue. I then needed to take a right turn when I
>> reached Franklin Street so I was going north again. Then only after
>> 290 feet, I finally turn left going west on Ohio street to my address.
>> An independent blind traveler would simply go north on Dearborn or Clark
> to Ohio and then west to the address.
>>
>> These routes were created using Tom tom maps. It is perplexing to me why
>> a
> travel aid for the blind would create such complex pedestrian routes going
> short distances. There are full sidewalks on Rockwell and all the way up
> Dearborn and Clark streets. The many turns and avoidance of traffic lights
> does not make sense. With Apple maps, the end user is often given three
> choices of routes to take, each with a different set of priorities. One
> route may favor major streets.
>> Another may have the shortest distance or travel time. Another may offer
> the fewest turns. With the Seeing Eye, GPS the end user has no choice.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7/8/14, Sofia Gallo < <mailto:sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx>
> sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> So I've noticed that most of the threads discuss using GPS while in a
>>> car or paratransit service, so I figured I would start a discussion
>>> for those who use the app mostly for walking routes.
>>>
>>> Any experiences, tips or suggestions to share?
>>>
>>> I recently started using the app in NYC, and it is extremely
>>> accurate, even with the tall buildings.
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