[jawsscripts] Re: testing for element attributes from whence jaws derives its labels.
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 20:00:39 +0000
Hi Geoff,
You will not see this on a submit button. The value attribute does not appear
to be passed to the little tag dump thing. Here is an example of a typical dump
of a submit button.
Element Information:
Tag BUTTON has 1 parameters:
type=submit
MSAA Role=2B
I don't know that that MSAA role is. Maybe that stuff is in a constant file
somewhere.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:55 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: testing for element attributes from whence jaws
derives its labels.
Hi Jim.
Well no, I think I'm talking about a label, not a value? I've never seen
"value" in the Jaws+control+F1 box that I can recall???
Thanks much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:37 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: testing for element attributes from whence jaws
derives its labels.
> Hi Geoff,
> A button should have a value attribute. Is that what you are calling a
> label? Usually, in HTML-speak, a label is a separate piece of text from a
> field value.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 6:26 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: testing for element attributes from whence jaws
> derives it's labels.
>
> Yep, thanks for that John.
>
> I'm Always a look out if it's an alt attribute, coz they show up in the
> elements listing there under jaws+shift+F1.
> but I'm particularly interested to get more familiar with where Jaws
> derives
> it's default labels for button elements at this point.
> This particular developer has shoved in some labels for some of the
> buttons,
> and just blatently left a whole bunch unlabelled! And I wish to know where
> He's likely to have put those, that was all.
>
> Plus for the iTunes prob described earlier.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 12:24 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: testing for element attributes from whence jaws
> derives it's labels.
>
>
>> Sometimes it is not a button. Sometimes it is the alt attribute that it
>> is
>> reading off a graphic.
>> HTH
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
>> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:30 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] testing for element attributes from whence jaws
>> derives it's labels.
>>
>> I hope the list will forgive the liberty of reposting a message I just
>> posted, but under a less relevant and kinda dumber subject heading, I
>> just
>> thought I might get more hits on it if I did so with a more relevant one.
>>
>> Yep, Thanks for the headsup Jim re insuring one isn't in forms mode when
>> one
>> hits the jaws+Shift+F1 key for the element attributes listing dialog.
>>
>> Even after examining that dump though,
>> I found It just didn't tell me though where jaws was brabbing the label
>> from. I.e. it must be that at least the first couple of these attributes
>> Scott mentions from the below, i.e. ARIA-LABEL, TITLE, ALT, VALUE, and
>> intra-tag text content, are simply not all shown in that insert+Shift+f1
>> dumping?
>> I know that Alt usually is, if there is one, but I've never seen mention
>> of
>> aria attributes in there for example?
>> I think I was using jaws 14 to check this???
>>
>> Hmmm.
>>
>> As another example I'd simply love to probe to the bottom of, so I could
>> tell someone whose now working at apple who., might, actually care, and
>> whom I know could possibly get this reversed/changed, if I was able to
>> tell
>> him precisely into what particular attribute, labels need to be optimally
>> stuffed for jaws to just naturally announce them by default, Which has
>> driven me crazy for a while now.
>> Coz in iTunes store now, every song in any listing, always contains an
>> "unlabelled 0" button now, which is it's play button, above the song
>> name.
>> Which means you hit b for button, to jump to the next song, then you
>> gotta
>> arrow down in virtual land, to hear that song's name, then arrow up again
>> to
>> the unlabelled 0 button in order to hit spacebar on it to play the
>> preview.
>> However in versions of iTunes gone by, there was a far lovelier time,
>> where
>> the song name was auto-embedded into that button label. Meaning you
>> could
>> far more elegantly and efficiently, hit b to navigate between the songs
>> in
>> a
>> given list, hear their titles immediately, and hit space if you wanted to
>> preview them.
>> many buttons in Flash movies too, I notice have this problem, of being
>> Unlabelled followed by a number. And I'd just love to be able to tell
>> developers, exactly where to stick those labels, to have them readily
>> anounced by jaws.
>> if anyone has any further thoughts on this, I'd love to hear them.
>>
>> From: "Homme, James" <
>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <
>> jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 3:34 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Dur I found it, it's going off the Tab Button
>> ID,
>> was Html elements and jaws custom labels, what's the point of connection?
>>
>>> Hi Geoff,
>>> Make sure you are not in Forms mode. Hit SHIFT+INSERT+F1 to get a dump
>>> in the Virtual Buffer that starts with the inner most tag, tells all
>>> the attributes, and goes outward all of the way to the document root.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>> jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:47 PM
>>> To:
>> jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Dur I found it, it's going off the Tab Button
>>> ID, was Html elements and jaws custom labels, what's the point of
>> connection?
>>>
>>> Ok a quick actual look in the DomainName.JSI file showed me the
>>> connection point, bang! Goodness it's amazing what a bit of lateral
>>> thinking can do, if Only I had more of that by default! :) Still
>>> clueless at this point re the second component of my previous though.
>>> as per where jaws derives any given default name it announces for
>>> buttons.
>>>
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