Ron Economos wrote: > Since there are no real-time HD H.264 encoders, I'd say > the "holdup" is a technical problem. But not with the ATSC standard. With A/90, ATSC "decoupled" (as Craig would say) synchronous payload streams from the MPEG-2 compression algorithm. MPEG-2 TS was retained, I guess you might call that at OSI Layer 2, but now, in principle, anything goes for image compression. Actually there was a comment in another document, I'm too lazy to search for it now, that stipulated use of MPEG-2 image compression for TV programs. But those are just words that can be revised any old time, as indeed they have been (or rather, are being). Anyway, the only point I was trying to make is that use of MPEG-4 AVC, or for that matter any other compression scheme, does not depend on E-VSB. These newer algorithms could have been introduced anytime after A/90 was written, which means four years ago. What has happened now is that AVC was added to the new candidate standard, ammendment to A/53C, http://www.atsc.org/standards/cs_documents/cs_t3-608.pdf but AVC per se it isn't dependent on E-VSB. It's merely added as another codec option. As the quote below demonstrates. In other words, I don't take this document as being *only* about E-VSB. It includes E-VSB. Note that A/90 also shows the PID as being a possible discriminator of payload types, and it provides other payload identifying schemes as well (LLC/SNAP and IP). Bert ----------------------------------- 6.7 Assignment of Identifiers In this section, those identifiers and codes that shall have a fixed value are summarized. These include PES Stream IDs and Descriptors. Stream_type codes for program element types managed by the ATSC Code Points Registrar (currently assigned or available for future assignment) shall be in the range 0x80 to 0xC3. Those descriptor_tag codes managed by the ATSC Code Points Registrar (currently assigned or available for future assignment) shall be in the range 0x40 to 0xEF. 6.7.1 AC-3 Audio Stream Type The stream_type value for AC-3 audio program elements shall be 0x81. 6.7.2 MPEG-2 Video Stream Type The stream_type value for MPEG-2 video program elements shall be as defined in ISO/IEC 13818-1 [C3] which is 0x02. 6.7.3 AVC Video Stream Type The stream_type value for AVC video program elements shall be as defined in ITU-T Rec. H.264 |ISO/IEC 14496-10 [C5] which is 0x1B. 6.7.4 Enhanced AC-3 Audio Stream Type The stream_type value for the enhanced AC-3 audio program element defined in A/52B [C1] Annex E shall be 0x87. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.