[opendtv] Re: News: DTV Boxes Could Cost $1 Billion
- From: Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:27:51 -0400
Anyone know what Zenith/LG intends to charge for their latest 5th
generation miracle chips? Or the IP to duplicate them?
It seems the answer might even have political ramifications if we are
contemplating mass give-aways with performance standards.
- Tom
Dale Kelly wrote:
> And, my original question was: can/will Motorola utilize the 5th or higher
> generation technology in it's $65 converter box? That is a great price, if
> so.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Kelly" <res0xtey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 7:04 PM
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: DTV Boxes Could Cost $1 Billion
>
>
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>>Frank Wrote:
>>
>>>"Reception equal to, or better than, NTSC" is never going to be true for
>>
>>all the people all the time, even with the most perfect DTV receiver that
>>one can conceive. We've been through all this many times -- the problem of
>>the 'digital cliff,' the FCC DTV Planning Factor basis of 'DTV reception
>>wherever Grade 3 NTSC reception is possible,' etc.
>>
>>I very aware of this and that is why I stated that NTSC reception should
>
> be
>
>>replicated by the proposed DTV converter box "as best practical". Clearly
>>we're dealing with different dynamics and, as you very well stated below,
>>there can never be a complete match. However, my original point was that,
>
> if
>
>>the free Set Top box approach to speeding the transition is to be
>>successful, it must be based upon the best current technology. Until
>>recently, there truly was no ATSC receiver technology capable of providing
>>the required performance (IMO).
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Eory Frank-p22212" <Frank.Eory@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:55 PM
>>Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: DTV Boxes Could Cost $1 Billion
>>
>>
>>
>>>>From: "Dale Kelly" <res0xtey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:37:09 -0700
>>>
>>>>>Give them a converter box and they can continue using that old NTSC
>>>>>set until it dies. If they buy a new TV with an integrated ATSC
>>>>>receiver, their problem is solved and they don't need a government
>>
>>handout.
>>
>>>>That was understood and makes sense. My concern is to assure, as best
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> as
>
>>>>practical, that the DTV box provide reception equal to, or better than,
>>
>>NTSC
>>
>>>>and a statement to that effect from Motorola would be helpful.
>>>
>>>"Reception equal to, or better than, NTSC" is never going to be true for
>>
>>all the people all the time, even with the most perfect DTV receiver that
>>one can conceive. We've been through all this many times -- the problem of
>>the 'digital cliff,' the FCC DTV Planning Factor basis of 'DTV reception
>>wherever Grade 3 NTSC reception is possible,' etc.
>>
>>>The biggest problems I see with reception 'guarantees' are (1) VHF to
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> UHF
>
>>transition, which will require some OTA viewers to install new antennas,
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> (2)
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>>DTV ERP and (3) comparisons of DTV to NTSC where NTSC is worse than Grade
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> 3.
>
>>>This last one is especially difficult. For example, how many people will
>>
>>watch a very snowy NTSC broadcast of high-value content (like a football
>>game), if that is the best they can get? You can't expect such a consumer
>
> to
>
>>find any comfort in the fact the he "just missed" having perfect DTV
>>reception by only 1 or 2 dB, when he's looking at a blank screen. On the
>>other hand, he will get perfect DTV video on other channels or in other
>>reception conditions where NTSC was far less than perfect. From a
>
> reception
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>>perspective -- as perceived by individual consumers -- not by engineers
>>taking measurements -- some things will be better, but some will be worse.
>>
>>>DTV is *not* equal to NTSC, and DTV reception will never equal NTSC
>>
>>reception, just as apples will never equal bananas. You could say that
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> with
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>>advanced receivers, with stations at full power, etc., that for most
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> people,
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>>most of the time, DTV reception will be better than NTSC reception. But
>
> that
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>>still doesn't help the guy who misses it by 1 dB on the day of the big
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> game,
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>>who wishes he could still receive the snowy NTSC version rather than
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> nothing
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>>at all.
>>
>>>>Many of those refusniks do live in poorer urban environs and I assume
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>>there
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>>>>will be a backlash should current reception not be replicated.
>>>
>>>There will be a backlash for many reasons, but I think reception issues
>>
>>will be far down on the list.
>>
>>>-- Frank
>>>
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