Say Hi to Jeremy for me. He helped me a lot in early days of my LPTV experience. Bob Miller On Nov 8, 2007 1:27 PM, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Actually, I can think of two broadcasters in Anchorage Alaska (one is my > customer, KYES-DT) that use 704x480 video. KYES-DT has two 704x480 streams. > At one time, they had three, until I bitched about 4:3 video in a 16:9 > frame. > > I have no connection to the other broadcaster; I couldn't even name the > chief engineer. I can provide screen captures from TS_reader with the > particulars, if you wish. > > Also, at least one broadcaster in Los Angeles (KXLA, I think) offered, the > last time I checked, at least one 704x480 stream. > > In San Diego, KUSI-DT offers a badly-stretched 4:3 picture in 704x480. > > So, I have problems with your predicate. The three markets that I know of > all provide 704x480 video. If you had said "no broadcaster in the Lansing, > Michigan market uses 704x480", I wouldn't be able to dispute that. But > currently -- at this very moment -- I know of three broadcasters that use > 704x480 video. > > At KYES-DT, we've also tried 720x480, but that breaks a few receivers, and > my customer is concerned about that. (We've done much testing in this > area.) > > I read the entire post, John. It was incorrect, and your caveat didn't > work. > > John Willkie, who tries (or tends to think he tries) to avoid > all-encompassing statements when he only has a few data points. > > P.S. And, I'm assuming that "practical use" means more than 0 broadcasters > use it. > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En > nombre de John Shutt > Enviado el: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:12 AM > Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Asunto: [opendtv] Re: News: Nielsen Gives Fuzzy Picture of HDTV Penetration > > John, > > Please re-read what I wrote. > > 704x480i in 16:9 is a valid ATSC format (yes I know table 3 was not adopted > by the FCC) but it is not currently used by a single broadcaster in the > United States. I said it would never be used. I said that perhaps 480p > 16:9 would be used, but 480p is ED, not SD. > > I said that the only 16:9 native format IN PRACTICAL USE will be HD content. > > That includes 720p60, 1080i30, 1080p24, and 1080p30. For cable, that could > also include 1080p60 using advanced codecs. > > Thank you for reading the entire post, not just what jumps out at you as > wrong. > > John > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.