Granted Georgie is the Guide type approach that can have its limitations for some people (especially a very technical audience like this email list) but there are also tons of people out there that just want to use a phone as a communication aid that works for the few tasks they need to do. They don't want to know about phone operating systems, Ice Cream Sandwich this and accessibility that. Also a mobile phone is a slightly more limited stage than say a desktop computer and there are certainly many I have come across who don't want the bother of wrestling with apps and phone functions, they just want something that is more accessible than an old style feature phone. For those who want to have full access to phone applications, settings etc. they can do so via other means on Android or buy an iPhone etc. The point being that both ends of the needs spectrum are served on what are now the dominant touch screen form factor. Regards. Tristram Llewellyn Technical Support Sight and Sound Technology -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie Sent: 15 July 2012 23:20 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People That misses the point. The screenreader aims to make the phone or computer accessible as far as it is possible to do so. The choice of what is used is left to the user. What we might call for the sake of this argument the "Guide" approach makes choices as to what the user might want to use. It is the same difference between an extracted talking newspaper where someone else has made an editorial choice as to what you will get and the whole text of the newspaper where the reader makes the choices of what he/she wants to read. The problem with the "guide" approach is that though it offers what appears to be a quick start in getting things done, the user is stuffed when he/she wants to do anything outside the capabilities of the program. This is why so many people find themselves progressing from Guide to a screenreading program such as NVDA or even a paid-for program. Iain -----Original Message----- From: Eleanor Burke Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:06 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People You use a screen reader for blind people. Do you not like Talks software for the blind either? -----Original message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: 15/07/2012, 10:57 pm To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People I really don't want a "special" mobile phone for blind people. Alex From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Lorimer Sent: 14 July 2012 11:43 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People Hi Jeff, Try this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18818279 Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff flint <mailto:jeffflint15@xxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: [access-uk] New Accessible Phone for Blind People My brother in Australia heard a report from England that a new mobile phone, with lots of bells an whistles, was launched last Thursday in London. Does anybody know anything about it? Jeff ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ N�^j����b��%��(��^�i�v&�z\��Yh�)��)䙨����q�,�Jު笵��zX���+�˛��-