[access-uk] Re: New computer recomendations
- From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:51:26 -0000
Andy.
It's not that Window Eyes is a steap learning curve it's that it's not Jaws
and if you're anything like myself and a heck of alot of others who are
either switching, thinking about switching or have switched I've seen a
pattern that people expect it to behave like Jaws. It's not going to
because it's not Jaws and it forces you IMHo to use your computer more than
Jaws does. That means thinking about what you are doing alot more and not
relying on Jaws to step in and take care of things for you.
I like others for years and years kept going on that I felt I was being
ripped off with Jaws and even now I switch back to Jaws when I get
frustrated with Window Eyes and just need the job to get down. It requires
a bit of patience and more patience than required to just learn how to use a
new application because a screenreader is part of your interface to Windows.
The trouble with demoing a screenreader is your doing just that and it's
easy to get set in your ways of how Jaws, Hal, or even Window Eyes works.
It shouldn't be this way because a screenreader is meant to assist not
dictate how you use your operating system, but I think of it like the OS
wars. Mac Vs, Windows, Vs Linux.
All have their merrits and I like others switching happen to believe that
it's worth the headaches.
It's a bit corny but I like the little motivational phrase,
"The short term pain we endure now, is the long time gain we get in the
future".
You can use elaquince with window eyes. I dont' think it's exactly like the
one in Jaws but you can use it instead of Dectalk Access32 that's on by
default.
Dectalk Access32 is a fantastic synth but it is a bit more robotic and
utilitarian than the likes of Elaquince.
Dj paddy
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Logue" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: New computer recomendations
Hi Dave.
So if I wish to move forwards, so to speak, I'll have to go down the Media
Center path, with either JAWS 8 Professional or WindowEyes 6. I know JAWS
is a bit of a pain at times and I do feel that I am being ripped off, every
time I upgrade to a new version, but WindowEyes looks such a huge learning
curve for me. A few weeks ago, I downloaded the latest WE and started
playing about with it. The voice was terrible and I could hardly understand
it. I do understand that a JAWS keyboard can be used to get you started,
but it just seemed a hill too far for me. Perhaps I should look again at
the prog and try and find out as much as I can about Windows Media Center.
I'd have liked XP Home to remain for a couple of years yet, so I could
gradually move on, but if computer stockists have limited numbers of XP Home
computers, I will be left behind very quickly.
Best wishes.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: New computer recomendations
> Hi,
>
> Media Centre works superbly but only with Jaws pro, so you would need to
> upgrade to that. Otherwise, I think it is a good bet as probably will be
> the
> last version of XP to stop being supported. Also, because I've had other
> issues with Jaws for years now, I've changed over to Window Eyes!
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Logue" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:53 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New computer recomendations
>
>
>> Hi Adrian.
>>
>> This sounds a good idea as I spend quite a lot of time backing up from my
>> PC, and I was considering an external hard drive too. Must keep this in
>> mind during my search for a new computer. By the way, I'm not having
>> much
>> luck in that area. I've been searching for a couple of days and even
>> found
>> something that I liked. It was the Zoostorm 2-5402. However, this
>> computer
>> came with Windows Media Center as it's OS. Incidentally, despite going
>> to
>> about four sites, I hardly found anything interesting that came with xp
>> home. I'm beginning to get a bit worried. I'm a JAWS user and I'm not
>> even
>> sure if I upgraded to JAWS 8 Professional, that I could access the Media
>> Center properly. I'm thinking of writing to the JAWS.UK list to get some
>> opinions over there.
>>
>> Best wishes.
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Adrian Higginbotham" <adrian.higginbotham@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:56 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New computer recomendations
>>
>>
>>> Again the pcspecialist site (now that I've got the name right) talks you
>>> =
>>> through options on back-up. By opting for a 2nd internal drive with raid
>>> =
>>> 1 you can have data auto duplicated on the 2nd drive leaving you always
>>> =
>>> with a complete back-up. It's a bit more expensive than manually =
>>> backing up essential data but is a lot more cost effective than using an
>>> =
>>> external drive.
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>> Adrian Higginbotham
>>> Project manager, Standards
>>>
>>> British Educational Communications and Technology Agency - BECTA
>>> Tel: Direct dial 024 7679 7333 - Becta switchboard 02476-416994.
>>>
>>> Email: Adrian.Higginbotham@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Web: http://www.becta.org.uk/
>>> BECTA, Millburn Hill Road, Science Park, Coventry, CV4 7JJ=20
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>> =
>>> Of Andy Collins
>>> Sent: 18 January 2007 10:25
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New computer recomendations
>>>
>>> Andy - If you are in the market for an external HD, then if you're =
>>> quick, you like me, can get a Seagate 320GB drive from Maplins for =
>>> =A389.99, but I think the offer end in the next day or to. - Andy On Wed
>>> =
>>> Jan 17 23:59 , 'Andy Logue' <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> sent:
>>>
>>>>Hi Graham.
>>>>
>>>>I never thought of an external hard drive for backing up. Are these
>>> drives=20
>>>>more reliable these days? Good point about the graphics card and
>>> cooling=20
>>>>fans. Again, I would never have thought of that.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>>Andy
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Graham Page" gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:13 PM
>>>>Subject: [access-uk] Re: New computer recomendations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Andy. on this subject I would say that 2 GB of ram is likely
>>> to be a
>>>>> good amount to go for. a 300 GB drive should also be fine. it
>>> may well=20
>>>>> be
>>>>> worth purchasing a 300 gb or greater disk for backup purposes. =20
>>> This plugs
>>>>> into a USB port.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know of no issues of compatibility with jaws and larger monitors.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want a quietish PC then it may be a good idea not to insist
>>> on the
>>>>> best quality graphics card. a budget job costing about =A350 should
>>> do=20
>>>>> fine.
>>>>> More powerful graphics cards that play recent 3D games such as
>>> Doom, call=20
>>>>> of
>>>>> duty etc. require a more power-humgry graphics card which is
>>> likely to
>>>>> require a larger fan. Passive cooling systems with no fan exist
>>> for these
>>>>> kind of cards but they are very expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "George Bell" george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:42 AM
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New computer recomendations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>>>
>>>>>> 300 500 GB of memory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you trying to compete against the proposed National Database?=20
>>>>> (Smile)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd have thought 3 - 5 Gigabytes of RAM would be quite a luxury!
>>>>>
>>>>> George.=3D20
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Logue
>>>>> Sent: 17 January 2007 10:39
>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New computer recomendations
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll check the links out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----=3D20
>>>>> From: "kevin and emma" kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: New computer recomendations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>a good starting point for an off-the-shelf system would be
>>>>> one of the price
>>>>>> comparison sites. you can specify such things as monitor
>>>>> size, hard disc
>>>>>> capacity, memory price, etc etc on these sites to narrow
>>>>> the results down.
>>>>>> personally i'm not a fan of off-the-shelf systems as the
>>>>> sellers are very
>>>>>> good at advertising the good points but gloss over the
>>>>> down sides to such
>>>>>> systems. having said that, it's obviously less hassle to
>>>>> buy one than
>>>>>> building one from scratch! smile. although dell is one
>>>>> example of a
>>>>>> manufacturer where you can, to a point, specify what you
>>>>> want in one of
>>>>>> their machines when ordering off their website.
>>>>>> 3 price comparison sites i use are:
>>>>>> www.pricerunner.co.uk
>>>>>> www.shopping.com
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> www.kelkoo.co.uk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hope that's helped a little anyhow.
>>>>>> kevin (lord L)
>>>>>> "Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to
>>>>> change without
>>>>>> notice." - will durant
>>>>>> email/msn: kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----=3D20
>>>>>> From: "Andy Logue" andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:40 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] New computer recomendations
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thinking of upgrading my computer during the next two
>>>>> weeks and could do
>>>>>> with some advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Firstly, I've purchased both of my old computers from PC
>>>>> World in Glasgow.
>>>>>> Both have been Packard Bell machines and both have
>>>>> required frequent
>>>>>> restores back to factory settings. Both came with the
>>>>> dreaded Norton junk
>>>>>> and when you restore back to factory settings, there is
>>>>> Norton again
>>>>>> defiant, like an unwanted guest at a party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My new computer will have to have no Firewall or
>>>>> anti-virus, as I would=3D20
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to try the NOD 32 system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My first question therefore, would I be able to purchase
>>>>> NOD 32 as a CD so
>>>>>> as to install it before going on-line?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to try and make use of the remaining vision I
>>>>> have - I am a
>>>>>> JAWS user, but cannot help trying to see what is on the
>>>>> screen. So I'd=3D20
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to purchase a large display, 20 or 22 inch if possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any issues for JAWS with respect to
>>>>> compatibility with larger
>>>>>> screens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone recommend a supplier?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can any one recommend a particular system?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Below is some of my wish list:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> as quiet as possible as I do a lot of audio work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As large a RAM as I can afford as I often use multiple
>>>>> programmes.
>>>>>> Very quick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 300 500 GB of memory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> room for expansion as I fancy getting into audio editing
>>>>> and DVD burning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> at least 6 USb 2's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Non Wireless Keyboard and Mouse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please add to the above list if you feel I've left
>>>>> something important=3D20
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, I'm willing to pay up to =3DA31000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any advise very welcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes.
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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