[AR] Re: Bye, everyone, I'm done with this
- From: Kevin Ho <rebelwithoutajob@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:45:05 -0600
Agreed on all of this. This is an unsolved problem though. There appear to be
three approaches: the free for all, moderation, and democracy.
The free-for-all approach degenerates into 4chan. The most obnoxious members
will slowly drive out those with least tolerance for obnoxiousness, causing the
Overton window to shift to 4chan norms. That this group hasn’t gotten there yet
is a testament to the character of the participants.
Moderation degenerates into HuffPo. Moderation is merely giving one man power
over others, and as we all know, power corrupts, and attracts the corrupt.
Entryism occurs, snitches and scolds will claim they feel unsafe, back channels
and whisper networks will form, and in the words of Glenn Reynolds, it will
degenerate into middle school mean girl lunch table politics.
Democracy is often the least bad solution, but it degenerates into an echo
chamber.
Again, it’s an unsolved problem that has affected every community I have ever
been a part of. The more technical and more obscure the community, the higher
the survival rate, but even those are not immune.
On Jul 24, 2020, at 12:42 AM, Uwe Klein <uwe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Am 23.07.2020 um 14:01 schrieb John Hare:
One of the problems with extreme moderation is that discussion often
descends into an echo chamber effect. I am not a contributing member
here to any useful extent, so banning me would have no effect on the
group. Henry's are clearly positive, and Craig is negative. The
problems come in the gray areas. Your Covid example is one of these in
which there are both deniers and panic mongers on the extreme ends,
neither of which are useful positions. There is no problem so bad that
it cannot be made worse by stupid actions. These actions are most often
at the extreme ends of the spectrum when there is little to no dissent
allowed, and many reach the conclusion that there is only one true way.
Apologies to all for the OT.
Moderation is
1 a hammer in hand tool
( everything turns into nails that need hitting.)
2 quis custos custodiet.
( moderation has a tendency to turn into dictatorship
inside a freshly created echo chamber. )
3 lots of hassle.
( IMHO in most cases ignoring the rare (mis)poster
is preferable.)
Uwe
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